Survival II

On 8 Jun 2006 09:18:59 -0700, wrote:

To All:

About a month ago I posted a message having to do with aircraft crash
survival in which I touched on the ability to make a fire, and the
features found in a good survival knife. The post produced the usual
comments some of which were rather surprising and may be of interest to
some of you.


fires are good. make one in the australian outback and eventually
someone will show up to find out why it got lit. ....thats the theory.

if you really want to survive carry water.

a sheet of transparent plastic over a hole full of scrub with a stone
in the middle with a can underneath will collect enough water over
time in the sun to keep you alive.

when I'm travelling over the gaffa I carry all that stuff ....but I
attend to the maintenance first so that the aircraft will never give
me a problem.
Stealth Pilot

Stealth Pilot wrote:
if you really want to survive carry water.

of course, if you really, REALLY want to survive, carry a 406 mhz ELT
with a built in GPS, and lithium ion batteries.

And for the really, really REALLY folks, there's satellite phones.

Rule of Three's

3 minutes without air (brain damage)
3 hours without water (dehydration)
3 days without sleep (loss of cognitive function)
3 weeks without food (tissue breakdown)

"john smith" wrote in message
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Rule of Three's

3 minutes without air (brain damage)
3 hours without water (dehydration)

I should be dead many times over if this was true. I've been 12 hours
without food and water and i still talk

3 days without sleep (loss of cognitive function)
3 weeks without food (tissue breakdown)

On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:21:55 -0500, "Tater Schuld"
wrote:


"john smith" wrote in message
...
Rule of Three's

3 minutes without air (brain damage)
3 hours without water (dehydration)

I should be dead many times over if this was true. I've been 12 hours
without food and water and i still talk

But they said coherent.:-))


3 days without sleep (loss of cognitive function)

I suffer from this every morning. Roll out of bed into the praying
position, then crawl up the wall or bed (which ever is closer), then
stagger along trying to find the kitchen or bathroom which ever is the
more important at the moment. About 10 minutes later my eyes are open,
but I still have trouble remembering I heat the coffee in the
microwave and not the refrigerator and ... Never mine... If you've
been there you understand and if you haven't you won't. :-))

After half an hour my motor skills are good enough to drive the
car...I didn't claim it was safe. By the time I get to the airport I
remember which hangar is mine and by the time I can get that lock to
work my mind is finally kicking into gear so I remember to open the
big doors before trying to taxi.

Did I mention I don't wake up quickly?
Ohhh Yah... I gave up drinking coffee.

3 weeks without food (tissue breakdown)

8 to 10 hours and my stomach starts digesting itself.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Richard Riley" wrote in message
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Stealth Pilot wrote:
if you really want to survive carry water.

of course, if you really, REALLY want to survive, carry a 406 mhz ELT
with a built in GPS, and lithium ion batteries.

And for the really, really REALLY folks, there's satellite phones.


That's the right idea - communicate.

Level one: Cell phone. Satellite phone for the really paranoid.
Level two: VHF radio to call an airliner on center frequnecy or 121.5 and
ask for help.
Level three: Handheld strobe at night and signal mirror for day. (Smoke
bombs and flares are fun if you get bored.)

For comfort at night, no fire is needed just roll up in a space blanket or
parachute. Don't forget bug repellent.

Basic need is water. A Katydyn water filter is standard USMC kit. For
glider types, retain a few gallons of ballast water and filter with the
Katydyn before drinking.

Knife? well I have a hook knife in a pocket on my parachute to cut shroud
lines - otherwise, I plan to stay out of knife fights.

bildan

Bill Daniels wrote:
Basic need is water. A Katydyn water filter is standard USMC kit. For
glider types, retain a few gallons of ballast water and filter with the
Katydyn before drinking.

What is Katdyn? I haven't heard fo it before.

For water purification, the most interesting thing I've come across is
this.

http://www.miox.com/News/CDI_MIOX_License.html

Expensive ($130 at REI) but elegant.

In article . com,
Richard Riley wrote:

For water purification, the most interesting thing I've come across is
this.

http://www.miox.com/News/CDI_MIOX_License.html

I have one. I bought it on sale for $100 at campmor.com last summer.
First I filter with an MSR MiniWorks filter, then I purify with the
MIOX.
I use to just filter, but the more I read, the more I realized how
lucky I have been in the past. So I added the purifier.

On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:26:42 -0600, "Bill Daniels"
bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:


"Richard Riley" wrote in message
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Stealth Pilot wrote:
if you really want to survive carry water.

of course, if you really, REALLY want to survive, carry a 406 mhz ELT
with a built in GPS, and lithium ion batteries.

And for the really, really REALLY folks, there's satellite phones.


That's the right idea - communicate.

Level one: Cell phone. Satellite phone for the really paranoid.
Level two: VHF radio to call an airliner on center frequnecy or 121.5 and
ask for help.
Level three: Handheld strobe at night and signal mirror for day. (Smoke
bombs and flares are fun if you get bored.)

For comfort at night, no fire is needed just roll up in a space blanket or
parachute. Don't forget bug repellent.


the fire is not for comfort. the smoke is a very visible signal by day
and the glow of a campfire can be seen from 50 miles away.

I agree with the rest but good maintenance is the best way of
preventing the problem in the first place.



Basic need is water. A Katydyn water filter is standard USMC kit. For
glider types, retain a few gallons of ballast water and filter with the
Katydyn before drinking.

Knife? well I have a hook knife in a pocket on my parachute to cut shroud
lines - otherwise, I plan to stay out of knife fights.

bildan

"Stealth Pilot" wrote

I agree with the rest but good maintenance is the best way of
preventing the problem in the first place.

All of the maintenance in the world is not going to protect you, when we
have major engine manufacturers making faulty cranks, and such.
--
Jim in NC