Garmin 396 Weather avoidance..

Bob Gardner wrote:
That's not what the NWS web page says, and it's not what I was told by the
local NWS folks. The whole discussion at the NATCA "Communicating for
Safety" conference had to do with the delays between real-time and WARP
experienced by Center controllers. One point made was that Radar and Weather
Processing involves (duh) processing, and six seconds was never mentioned.

Something is missing here, and I'm not sure where to look. But I have a ZSE
controller I can check with.

That's the center. Their display is a mosaic of many radar sites. Ask
your center buddy how often center weather radar gets updated. However
when you are talking to an approach or tower controller with radar, that
updates every six seconds. There's no processing. What I see is what's
there.

Newps wrote:


Bob Gardner wrote:

That's not what the NWS web page says, and it's not what I was told by
the local NWS folks. The whole discussion at the NATCA "Communicating
for Safety" conference had to do with the delays between real-time and
WARP experienced by Center controllers. One point made was that Radar
and Weather Processing involves (duh) processing, and six seconds was
never mentioned.

Something is missing here, and I'm not sure where to look. But I have
a ZSE controller I can check with.


That's the center. Their display is a mosaic of many radar sites. Ask
your center buddy how often center weather radar gets updated. However
when you are talking to an approach or tower controller with radar, that
updates every six seconds. There's no processing. What I see is what's
there.

What about a TRACON with STARS?

OK. Apples and oranges. Way back at the beginning of this thread we were
talking about using an [airborne] 396 weather display. The information sent
to cockpits, installed or handheld, is NEXRAD-based, and I jumped in to
emphasize the point that real-time weather does not exist in the cockpit
unless you have airborne weather radar, which few have. Now, all of a
sudden, you chime in with what you see at a terminal facility? Without
disclosing the kind of facility you work at?

For those late to the discussion, look at this:

http://www.faa.gov/aua/weather/warp/

Bob Gardner

"Newps" wrote in message
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Bob Gardner wrote:
That's not what the NWS web page says, and it's not what I was told by
the local NWS folks. The whole discussion at the NATCA "Communicating for
Safety" conference had to do with the delays between real-time and WARP
experienced by Center controllers. One point made was that Radar and
Weather Processing involves (duh) processing, and six seconds was never
mentioned.

Something is missing here, and I'm not sure where to look. But I have a
ZSE controller I can check with.

That's the center. Their display is a mosaic of many radar sites. Ask
your center buddy how often center weather radar gets updated. However
when you are talking to an approach or tower controller with radar, that
updates every six seconds. There's no processing. What I see is what's
there.

Bob Gardner wrote:
OK. Apples and oranges. Way back at the beginning of this thread we were
talking about using an [airborne] 396 weather display. The information sent
to cockpits, installed or handheld, is NEXRAD-based, and I jumped in to
emphasize the point that real-time weather does not exist in the cockpit
unless you have airborne weather radar, which few have. Now, all of a
sudden, you chime in with what you see at a terminal facility? Without
disclosing the kind of facility you work at?
\

My recollection is that he has told the group more than once that he
works at Billings TRACON.

Guess I should have remembered that. But then he should not have inserted
his comments about what he sees at a terminal facility into a discussion of
delays in cockpit weather/WARP. His radar doesn't feed NOAAPORT, so his " I
get updated every six seconds" is irrelevant.

Bob

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Bob Gardner wrote:
OK. Apples and oranges. Way back at the beginning of this thread we were
talking about using an [airborne] 396 weather display. The information
sent to cockpits, installed or handheld, is NEXRAD-based, and I jumped in
to emphasize the point that real-time weather does not exist in the
cockpit unless you have airborne weather radar, which few have. Now, all
of a sudden, you chime in with what you see at a terminal facility?
Without disclosing the kind of facility you work at?
\

My recollection is that he has told the group more than once that he works
at Billings TRACON.