Another home wrecked

I've always used Alt-0176. 104° -- not normal for Denver, thank goodness.
But it's a dry heat.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Allen" wrote)
103° here yesterday. Hold down the ALT key and press 504 on the numpad.


°Very cool°

Thanks!

Any other neat keyboard tricks out there?


Montblack
79°

by Jose Jun 14, 2006 at 08:51 PM


On the safety of the GA fleet, it is more what AOPA is opposing: FAA's
studying older planes is being opposed by AOPA, even though structural
failure has been implicated in various recent crashes. (Also rare,
like
crashing into homes, but opposing even a study????)

"study" is code-speak for "we know what we want to do, let's find a way
to convince people to do it". In politics, there is no such thing as an
impartial study, and to treat the word as if it meant that is ludicrous.

Getting a sport pilot license by presenting a drivers license as proof
of
medical fitness is just stupid, and not worthy of debate.

That's an example right there. Let's "study" it.

I think pilots should be drug tested (and yes, I would extend that to
other forms of transportation such as driving). I am not a pure
libertarian -- in a crowded society with competing interests and
limited
resources, government MUST play a referee role to some degree.
Otherwise,
there would be anarchy.

You are not a libertarian at all. You seem to be in favor of a society
in which permission is required and innocence must be proven.

Jose



Hi Jose. Someone worth debating, with intellectual honesty (unlike the
Boyer-esque fools)....

On your dismissal of all studies, I disagree. Yes, many are rigged (like
ALL the Economic Benefit studies of GA airports), that is true. But not
all. The FAA has a history and mission of ADVOCATING INCREASED aviation
(the LSA is a recent example)and subsidizing GA. Why is it that this
aviation advocacy group already has a pre-determined position on older
aircraft, especially since structural failures have been implicated in
some crashes recently?? I don't understand. They want to put more planes
and pilots in the air, and provide more grants to airports in order to tie
the hands of localities for at least 20 years. They are GA's best friend.
If these airports had to be self supporting, profit making businesses,
there would be way, way less of them, and you would all be paying much,
much more.

On my politics, I do have libertarian leanings. I am not a pure
libertarian who believes that everyone should be home schooled and fend
for themselves. I believe in decriminization of various drugs, and free
market solutions wherever possible: libertarian leanings. I am against
unlimited welfare outlays, government required health care (like Mass is
imposing), etc.

In my politics, government plays a role as a regulator when there are
externalities (such as pollution) or when various groups of society come
into conflict. There must be rules (regulations or laws) to prevent
anarchy.
In a fully libertarian society, I'd be able to fly kites high or shoot off
my Mossberg at fools in low flying planes. I'd have as much right to my
freedoms as the pilots. But this would be ridiculous. This is why I am
against the self-policing of the FARs (to great extent) and "voluntary"
noise abatement procedures, etc.

Take care. I gotta go out to the Left Coast (La La land) by commercial
airliner.

"Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message
. ..
I've always used Alt-0176. 104° -- not normal for Denver, thank goodness.
But it's a dry heat.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Allen" wrote)
103° here yesterday. Hold down the ALT key and press 504 on the numpad.


°Very cool°

Thanks!

Any other neat keyboard tricks out there?


Montblack
79°

When a ? meets a ? (alt 11 and alt 12) ? (alt 14)

Allen

"Allen" wrote in message
. net...

When a ? meets a ? (alt 11 and alt 12) ? (alt 14)

Allen


Very clever. It's (alt 14) to my ears...

Jay B

"Kingfish" wrote in message
ups.com...
Sounds vaguely familiar to those twits that buy homes near an airport
and then bitch about the noise at town meetings. No sympathy for fools
here...


I sit right between the approaches to PDX 28R and 28L. The random F-15
scramblings get to be a bit obnoxious, but I also have the Happy Valley
arrival/departure to KTTD 1,000 feet AGL over my head.

We enjoy that commercial where the 747 flips around the weathervane on the
house. That's what our new neighbors must feel like.

-c

°Very cool°

°THAT IS NEAT!°

I'll never, ever remember it, when I need it -- but it's cool, nonetheless!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On your dismissal of all studies, I disagree.

I don't dismiss all studies, just the ones with political or economic
ends behind them. "We need a study to show that cell phone use while
driving is (or is not) dangerous." Further, even well designed studies
are subject to misinterpretation by those who stand to benefit -
consider all the heart and diet studies that are done, misinterpreted,
and products sold on that basis.

Yes, many are rigged (like ALL the Economic Benefit
studies of GA airports)

.... and all the noise impact studies of GA airports. I wonder how many
developers stand to benefit by getting neighbors up in arms...

Why is it that this
aviation advocacy group already has a pre-determined position on older
aircraft, especially since structural failures have been implicated in
some crashes recently??

I don't know whether either of your premises is true. But once a
government study begins, politics tends to trump science, and powerful
forces with big voices have something to misinterpret. There is no
reason to feed them. No pattern of crashes has emerged that make me
suspect that there is a general problem with "older aircraft" (a
category which spans =many= categories).

Now if a pattern were to emerge - for example, three huge jetliners
crash into big buildings in one day, then maybe there would be grounds
to study whether small aircraft should be kept away from cities.

On my politics, I do have libertarian leanings.

They are not at all evident.

I believe in decriminization of various drugs...

The ones you advocate testing pilots for?

In a fully libertarian society, I'd be able to fly kites high or shoot off
my Mossberg at fools in low flying planes.

I do not believe that libertarians would be in agreement with that
statement.

This is why I am against the self-policing of the FARs (to great extent)...

What is special about the FARs (besides your own noise issue) that make
you want to turn aviation into a police state, while espousing
libertarian views elsewhere?

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Well said, Jose. Our resident troll chided me saying BTW: You have
not ever pointed out a single inconsistency in my opinions, and you
can't. But you have done just that. Your logic will have no effect
on him, as his head is firmly planted in some dark & stinky place. If
he really thinks he could shoot at low flying aircraft with a shotgun
in a libertarian society he'd have his liberties restricted rather
quickly (in jail).


Jose wrote:
On your dismissal of all studies, I disagree.

I don't dismiss all studies, just the ones with political or economic
ends behind them. "We need a study to show that cell phone use while
driving is (or is not) dangerous." Further, even well designed studies
are subject to misinterpretation by those who stand to benefit -
consider all the heart and diet studies that are done, misinterpreted,
and products sold on that basis.

Yes, many are rigged (like ALL the Economic Benefit
studies of GA airports)

... and all the noise impact studies of GA airports. I wonder how many
developers stand to benefit by getting neighbors up in arms...

Why is it that this
aviation advocacy group already has a pre-determined position on older
aircraft, especially since structural failures have been implicated in
some crashes recently??

I don't know whether either of your premises is true. But once a
government study begins, politics tends to trump science, and powerful
forces with big voices have something to misinterpret. There is no
reason to feed them. No pattern of crashes has emerged that make me
suspect that there is a general problem with "older aircraft" (a
category which spans =many= categories).

Now if a pattern were to emerge - for example, three huge jetliners
crash into big buildings in one day, then maybe there would be grounds
to study whether small aircraft should be kept away from cities.

On my politics, I do have libertarian leanings.

They are not at all evident.

I believe in decriminization of various drugs...

The ones you advocate testing pilots for?

In a fully libertarian society, I'd be able to fly kites high or shoot off
my Mossberg at fools in low flying planes.

I do not believe that libertarians would be in agreement with that
statement.

This is why I am against the self-policing of the FARs (to great extent)...

What is special about the FARs (besides your own noise issue) that make
you want to turn aviation into a police state, while espousing
libertarian views elsewhere?

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.