Bush needs to clean up his mess

Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:48:08 -0700, "Leadfoot"
wrote:

If the Iraqi's can't stand up and fight this for themselves by January 19,
2009 then they aren't worth saving.

The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
this as a 'terrorist'. Think what happened to the French, at the hands
of their fellow countrymen who did collaborate with the Nazis of the
1940s, when they got their country back!

With over 250,000 Iraqi civilians dead it's small wonder that those with
any guts have decided to fight the oppressor.

Sort of like all those NATO countries from 1949 until 1989?

All which NATO countries?




Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:

The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
this as a 'terrorist'.

So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
reprisal?

If you answered none, you'd be correct.

How many did the Germans execute?

If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.

Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
through German occupation.

Think what happened to the French, at the hands
of their fellow countrymen who did collaborate with the Nazis of the
1940s, when they got their country back!

With over 250,000 Iraqi civilians dead it's small wonder that those with
any guts have decided to fight the oppressor.

Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?

In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
narrow it down further.

Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:


The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
this as a 'terrorist'.


So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
reprisal?

If you answered none, you'd be correct.

How many did the Germans execute?

If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.

Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
through German occupation.

And you lived through it?

Most recent news on the subject:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13637.htm


Think what happened to the French, at the hands
of their fellow countrymen who did collaborate with the Nazis of the
1940s, when they got their country back!

With over 250,000 Iraqi civilians dead it's small wonder that those with
any guts have decided to fight the oppressor.


Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?

In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
narrow it down further.


Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
just not worth keeping figures!

We're nearly two years on now. Try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

"Ricardo" wrote in message
. uk...




Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
just not worth keeping figures!

We're nearly two years on now. Try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

These statistics are about as plausible as these:
http://www.area51central.com/aliens/...ons/facts.html

And since I found this on the internet it must be true!

Jarg

Jarg wrote:
"Ricardo" wrote in message
. uk...



Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
just not worth keeping figures!

We're nearly two years on now. Try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."


These statistics are about as plausible as these:
http://www.area51central.com/aliens/...ons/facts.html

And since I found this on the internet it must be true!

Jarg



--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

Jarg wrote:
"Ricardo" wrote in message
. uk...



Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
just not worth keeping figures!

We're nearly two years on now. Try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."


These statistics are about as plausible as these:
http://www.area51central.com/aliens/...ons/facts.html

And since I found this on the internet it must be true!

Jarg


Not necessarily, but that is only one source of many making exactly the
same allegations, including national and international news networks.
Your belief in 'alien abduction' is entirely up to you, but it is
probably a better bet for survival than a CIA abduction, even if you are
totally innocent.

Once the killing machine starts, manned by people who regard all races
other than their own as 'inferior', it is very difficult to stop. The
many and varied comments about 'ragheads', 'towelheads' and they're all
'terrorists' on these American dominated newsgroups gives an interesting
insight into the national psyche - as is the abuse hurled at anyone who
doesn't support the American war on a poor hapless people who don't
deserve what is happening to them. Further, there is the worrying
inability to understand that if you invade someone else's country, on
whatever pretext, the inhabitants thereof are going to get ****y about it!

It was my understanding that America had a 'Republican' government, yet
following the thread with regard to well reported actions of certain
American marines, many posters would have us believe that their actions
are entirely the fault of a group called 'Democrats'. Very strange.

Unfortunately it is becoming universal - the UK's ruling party, having
been in power for nearly 10 years, claim every problem is the fault of
their predecessors.

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:59:05 GMT, Ricardo wrote:

Not necessarily, but that is only one source of many making exactly the
same allegations,

One source of many? You keep people who keep quoting each other; that doesn't
make them "many sources".

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:40:29 GMT, Ricardo wrote:



Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:


The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
this as a 'terrorist'.


So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
reprisal?

If you answered none, you'd be correct.

How many did the Germans execute?

If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.

Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
through German occupation.

And you lived through it?

So now you have to live through something to comment on it?

You're not living in Iraq.

Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?

In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
narrow it down further.


Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
just not worth keeping figures!

We're nearly two years on now. Try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

I know you're stupid but it appears that you can at least read. Should you
have actually read the cite you posted you would be aware that the article in
question references the Lancet article. You know, the one where they are 95%
sure the number is between 6,000 and 194,000 but are either unwilling or unable
to narrow it down with any real confidence.

Just because you found it two years later doesn't make it recent news kid.

Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:40:29 GMT, Ricardo wrote:



Johnny Bravo wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:



The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
this as a 'terrorist'.


So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
reprisal?

If you answered none, you'd be correct.

How many did the Germans execute?

If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.

Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
through German occupation.


And you lived through it?


So now you have to live through something to comment on it?

You're not living in Iraq.


Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?

In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
narrow it down further.


Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
just not worth keeping figures!

We're nearly two years on now. Try this:

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm


I know you're stupid but it appears that you can at least read. Should you
have actually read the cite you posted you would be aware that the article in
question references the Lancet article. You know, the one where they are 95%
sure the number is between 6,000 and 194,000 but are either unwilling or unable
to narrow it down with any real confidence.

Just because you found it two years later doesn't make it recent news kid.


And as you may have noticed the killing hasn't stopped...

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

Ricardo wrote:

:Johnny Bravo wrote:
: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:
:
:
:The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
:is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
:French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
:indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
:this as a 'terrorist'.
:
:
: So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
: reprisal?
:
: If you answered none, you'd be correct.
:
: How many did the Germans execute?
:
: If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.
:
: Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
: through German occupation.
:
:And you lived through it?

Reading not your strong suit? Where id he say that?

:Most recent news on the subject:
:
:http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13637.htm

That's nice. You'll notice that we arrest them and try them when we
catch them at it. Three, seven million, no big difference to you,
right?

:Think what happened to the French, at the hands
:of their fellow countrymen who did collaborate with the Nazis of the
:1940s, when they got their country back!
:
:With over 250,000 Iraqi civilians dead it's small wonder that those with
:any guts have decided to fight the oppressor.
:
: Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?
:
: In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
: in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
: somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
: narrow it down further.
:
:Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
:just not worth keeping figures!

Oh, sorry, you're a European - you can't count past 3 so there's no
difference in the numbers to you.

:We're nearly two years on now. Try this:
:
:http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

The same bull****, which even The Lancet says are unfounded and
preposterously large numbers.

How's your German?

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territory."
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