Bush needs to clean up his mess

Fred J. McCall wrote:
Ricardo wrote:

:Johnny Bravo wrote:
: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:
:
:
:The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
:is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
:French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
:indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
:this as a 'terrorist'.
:
:
: So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
: reprisal?
:
: If you answered none, you'd be correct.
:
: How many did the Germans execute?
:
: If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.
:
: Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
: through German occupation.
:
:And you lived through it?

Reading not your strong suit? Where id he say that?

He didn't, I just wanted to know his viewpoint. After all the Germans
were in Paris long before America was forced into WW2 by the Japanese.

:Most recent news on the subject:
:
:http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13637.htm

That's nice. You'll notice that we arrest them and try them when we
catch them at it. Three, seven million, no big difference to you,
right?

:Think what happened to the French, at the hands
:of their fellow countrymen who did collaborate with the Nazis of the
:1940s, when they got their country back!
:
:With over 250,000 Iraqi civilians dead it's small wonder that those with
:any guts have decided to fight the oppressor.
:
: Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?
:
: In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
: in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
: somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
: narrow it down further.
:
:Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
:just not worth keeping figures!

Oh, sorry, you're a European - you can't count past 3 so there's no
difference in the numbers to you.

:We're nearly two years on now. Try this:
:
:http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm

The same bull****, which even The Lancet says are unfounded and
preposterously large numbers.

How's your German?

I'm not sure of the relevance of that comment but my German is probably
better than yours, as is my English, Spanish and French, although I've
not lived in France.

And as for counting past 3, well...it is precisely why I said that we
were two years on from the death 'estimates' of 2004, and, let's face
it, the killing hasn't stopped in that time. The problem with being able
to count seems to rest with the US military who are unable to say how
many civilians they have killed. 'Estimates vary'.

Just for the record, the BBC news in England have, in the last 24 hours,
reported yet more arrests of US military personnel, this time for murder
and abduction of a disabled Iraqi civilian, plus the planting of a
weapon on his body following his murder. Obviously, they are innocent
until proved guilty...

I bet, however, that they don't end up in a cosy American run Cuban
concentration camp for four years with no charges made against them.

Ricardo
--
"Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..."

Ricardo wrote:

:
:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Ricardo wrote:
:
: :Johnny Bravo wrote:
: : On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:16:38 GMT, Ricardo wrote:
: :
: :
: :The Iraqis ARE standing up and fighting for themselves but the trouble
: :is, like when the Germans invaded France in WW2 (although at least the
: :French had declared war on Germany), the occupying power with its
: :indiscriminate killing of civilians then brands anyone who reacts to
: :this as a 'terrorist'.
: :
: :
: : So how many civilians have we rounded up according to policy and shot in
: : reprisal?
: :
: : If you answered none, you'd be correct.
: :
: : How many did the Germans execute?
: :
: : If you answered, a hell of a lot more than none, you'd be correct.
: :
: : Don't compare us to Nazis kid, it just belittles those who actually lived
: : through German occupation.
: :
: :And you lived through it?
:
: Reading not your strong suit? Where id he say that?
:
:He didn't, I just wanted to know his viewpoint. After all the Germans
:were in Paris long before America was forced into WW2 by the Japanese.

I see. Just more rhetorical bull****.

Son, you're not even a GOOD troll....

: :Most recent news on the subject:
: :
: :http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle13637.htm
:
: That's nice. You'll notice that we arrest them and try them when we
: catch them at it. Three, seven million, no big difference to you,
: right?
:
: :Think what happened to the French, at the hands
: :of their fellow countrymen who did collaborate with the Nazis of the
: :1940s, when they got their country back!
: :
: :With over 250,000 Iraqi civilians dead it's small wonder that those with
: :any guts have decided to fight the oppressor.
: :
: : Got any other numbers you'd like to pull out of your ass?
: :
: : In October 2004 the best scientific data in the world on civilian casualties
: : in Iraq was analysed and they came up with a guess; they were 95% sure it was
: : somewhere between 6,000 and 194,000 and they didn't, or couldn't, even try to
: : narrow it down further.
: :
: :Oh, sorry, you're an American - they're just 'collateral damage' so it's
: :just not worth keeping figures!
:
: Oh, sorry, you're a European - you can't count past 3 so there's no
: difference in the numbers to you.
:
: :We're nearly two years on now. Try this:
: :
: :http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11674.htm
:
: The same bull****, which even The Lancet says are unfounded and
: preposterously large numbers.
:
: How's your German?
:
:I'm not sure of the relevance of that comment but my German is probably
:better than yours,

Don't bet on it.

:as is my English,

Don't bet on it.

:Spanish and French, although I've
:not lived in France.

Hard to believe. You make 'surrender monkey' sorts of sounds, after
all.

:And as for counting past 3, well...it is precisely why I said that we
:were two years on from the death 'estimates' of 2004, and, let's face
:it, the killing hasn't stopped in that time. The problem with being able
:to count seems to rest with the US military who are unable to say how
:many civilians they have killed. 'Estimates vary'.

Quite true. Of course, you're too stupid to recognize that the
problem is that with two sides in a firefight it is:

1) difficult to tell if a body is 'civilian' or not, and
2) difficult to know which side got them killed...

.... particularly when the locals have been known to lie about this.

:Just for the record, the BBC news in England have, in the last 24 hours,
:reported yet more arrests of US military personnel, this time for murder
:and abduction of a disabled Iraqi civilian, plus the planting of a
:weapon on his body following his murder. Obviously, they are innocent
:until proved guilty...

The BBC is slow. I'll simply point out once again that we ARREST them
when we find them, so your bull**** is still only that ... bull****.

:I bet, however, that they don't end up in a cosy American run Cuban
:concentration camp for four years with no charges made against them.

I bet they don't, too, because

1) There are no 'concentration camps' in Cuba. It's only dumb****s
like you who don't know what 'concentration camp' means who think so.

2) If guilty, they'll wind up tried and convicted and in the military
prison in Leavenworth (if they don't draw a death penalty, which is
pretty unlikely in a military court).

3) They're being held in a military brig here in the States, with
conditions probably worse than those in Cuba.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson