Cherokee 140 - LASAR vs. Powerflow vs. Laminar Speed Kit

Yeah, I'm definitely starting to get the sense that waiting to replace
with upgrades, rather than spend new up front is probably my best bet.

Which means I'll probably do the Laminar Flow stuff first, because
Julie is definitely going to need a paintjob sooner rather than later.

I've actually been considering spending the spare cash on the interior.
I'm already redoing the panel (putting in a standard T)... I was
planning on replacing the carpets with airtex stuff... maybe I should
go ahead and do the seats/sidepanels while I'm at it.

Or... anyone know a good upolstry shop in the Bay area that can do
aircraft interiors if you give them the old ones as templates?

-Scott

Denny wrote:
Local fella put the Lasar system on his Warrior 3 years back... Says he
can't really tell the difference... He flys 300 hours a year... Says
he doesn't feel it was necessarily a waste of money but if/when he gets
another plane he won't install it a second time... Keep your mags
overhauled every 500 hours and you will be fine...

Forget the powerflow muffler unless the current exhaust is shot... To
make more power requires more fuel flow, period! Given that a few %
increase in power means almost no change in cruise speed you are
wasting fuel...

Gap seals and fairings can be worthwhile and if you are determined to
spend, this is where I would spend it......

denny - and Fat Albert the Apache...

On 22 Jun 2006 19:30:32 -0700, "EridanMan"
wrote:


I've actually been considering spending the spare cash on the interior.
I'm already redoing the panel (putting in a standard T)... I was
planning on replacing the carpets with airtex stuff... maybe I should
go ahead and do the seats/sidepanels while I'm at it.

Or... anyone know a good upolstry shop in the Bay area that can do
aircraft interiors if you give them the old ones as templates?

Find someone that does a LOT of auto interior re-work.

Talk to a furniture re-upholster (sp?) shop that does institutional
(nursing home, hospital, etc.) work. The "burn" requirements for
institutional fabrics meet or exceed the requirements for your
Cherokee.

Have the auto shop do the work, using the institutional materials, and
play really really stupid if the FAA (one chance in a million) asks
who redid your interior.

Or save the certs from the fabrics and tell them to stick in their
ass.

Or pay three to ten times as much for an "approved" interior.

TC

Yea... That seems like a not very good plan of action. I would pay the
extra $$$ to have the work done properly so I would not have to worry
about the FAA asking questions. Telling them to "stick it" when you
didn't follow the regs is not something the FAA will ignore.

Chris G., PP-ASEL
Salem, Oregon


wrote:

play really really stupid if the FAA (one chance in a million) asks
who redid your interior.

Or save the certs from the fabrics and tell them to stick in their
ass.

It wouldn't be the FAA that asks. It would be ANY AI worth his salt. Why
would the stupid owner want to risk his life and the livelihood of his
mechanic by pulling off some illegal upholstery job?

I'm with you, do it right or sell the piece of junk!

Karl
"Curator" N185KG


"Chris G." wrote in message
reenews.net...
Yea... That seems like a not very good plan of action. I would pay the
extra $$$ to have the work done properly so I would not have to worry
about the FAA asking questions. Telling them to "stick it" when you
didn't follow the regs is not something the FAA will ignore.

Chris G., PP-ASEL
Salem, Oregon


wrote:

play really really stupid if the FAA (one chance in a million) asks
who redid your interior.

Or save the certs from the fabrics and tell them to stick in their
ass.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:34:56 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

It wouldn't be the FAA that asks. It would be ANY AI worth his salt. Why
would the stupid owner want to risk his life and the livelihood of his
mechanic by pulling off some illegal upholstery job?

ROTFLMAO.

So tell me, just how would said AI determine that A) the work was
"illegal", and B) what would this alleged "illegality" be based on?

TC

writes:


So tell me, just how would said AI determine that A) the work was
"illegal", and B) what would this alleged "illegality" be based on?


He looks for the USDA CHOICE brand on the inside of the Naugahyde;
if it's missing.....call the cops.

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:46:21 -0700, "Chris G."
wrote:

Yea... That seems like a not very good plan of action. I would pay the
extra $$$ to have the work done properly so I would not have to worry
about the FAA asking questions. Telling them to "stick it" when you
didn't follow the regs is not something the FAA will ignore.


It's a case of get educated or get out.

"pay the extra $$$ to have the work done properly" is a sad joke in
GA, expecially when it comes to aircraft interior rework.

Find me a CAR3 or for that matter a CFR14/PT91 or 43 reference to
interior re-furb materials & workmanship applicable to a 60's vintage
PA28.

I'll give you a hint, there isn't one.

If there isn't a specific reference, the FAA can stick it. If there
isn't a reg, it's pretty tough for them to say that you didn't follow
it.

BTW, how much personal contact/interaction have you had with FAA GA
maintenance ASI's?

TC

wrote:


Find me a CAR3 or for that matter a CFR14/PT91 or 43 reference to
interior re-furb materials & workmanship applicable to a 60's vintage
PA28.

Would not AC 43.13-1b, ch 9-61 not apply? Seems pretty straightforward
to me.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2009-10.pdf

Yup. Real straightforward as far as I'm concerned:

A manufacturer's statement
is acceptable due to neither the Civil
Aeronautics Administration (CAA) nor the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) having
published an FAA fire standard for either flash
or flame resistance for interior materials for
CAR-3 aircraft.

I believe that in my original post I mentioned that if you were truly
concerned about the legality of the institutional materials
(flash/flame resistant) used, save a piece of the material with the
stamp on the back.

It would be a totally different ball game if you were trying to buy
interior "parts" instead of performing a re-rag, or if you were talking
about a non-CAR3 aircraft.

TC


Newps wrote:
wrote:


Find me a CAR3 or for that matter a CFR14/PT91 or 43 reference to
interior re-furb materials & workmanship applicable to a 60's vintage
PA28.

Would not AC 43.13-1b, ch 9-61 not apply? Seems pretty straightforward
to me.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2009-10.pdf

Right, part 23 aircraft are different. For CAR3, expecially if
placarded "No Smoking", any material that meets any federal spec qualifies.

wrote:
Yup. Real straightforward as far as I'm concerned:

A manufacturer's statement
is acceptable due to neither the Civil
Aeronautics Administration (CAA) nor the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) having
published an FAA fire standard for either flash
or flame resistance for interior materials for
CAR-3 aircraft.

I believe that in my original post I mentioned that if you were truly
concerned about the legality of the institutional materials
(flash/flame resistant) used, save a piece of the material with the
stamp on the back.

It would be a totally different ball game if you were trying to buy
interior "parts" instead of performing a re-rag, or if you were talking
about a non-CAR3 aircraft.

TC


Newps wrote:

wrote:


Find me a CAR3 or for that matter a CFR14/PT91 or 43 reference to
interior re-furb materials & workmanship applicable to a 60's vintage
PA28.

Would not AC 43.13-1b, ch 9-61 not apply? Seems pretty straightforward
to me.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2009-10.pdf