Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Johnny Bravo wrote:

Great Plains? We want our whole continent back white man, and take all
the descendants of the Spainards with you.

As my departed Grandma used to say: Bald es will kommen. Soon. Soon.

Bob Kolker

Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:48:42 -0500, Robert Kolker wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
Does a nation of war criminals have a right to survive?
If they have the might. The U.S. became a great nation by practicing
genocide on the aboriginal nations. That is how The West Was Won. Dead
Injuns.

I think the Israelis should give it all back the day after the U.S.
returns the Great Plains to the descendants of the Indians whom our
predecessors killed to get the land. When do you think that will happen?

Great Plains? We want our whole continent back white man, and take all
the descendants of the Spainards with you.

Neither Spain nor Portugal ever went through the formality of treaties. With
them you have a legal position.

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Andrew Venor wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:

Andrew Venor wrote:

Matt Giwer wrote:

Jordan wrote:

Dean A. Markley wrote:

Israel need not hit Damascus. All they need do is hit Assad's house
near Latakia with a 2000 lb bomb.


True. The advantage of hitting Damascus, though, especially if it's
repeated and especially if collateral damage kills some rich Damascene
civilians, is that it brings home to Syria that there could be a _big_
personal cost, felt by the Syrian ruling elite, for supporting attacks
on Israel. Heck, I think that Israel should _target_ Assad, and then
others in the Syrian leadership, in the hopes of making that country
collapse into civil war as the hyena-like survivors struggle for
supremacy.
The Syrian elite has spent a good deal of the last few decades causing
chaos in Lebanon and death everywhere abroad. Let them have a
taste of
what it's like, at home. Couldn't happen to a nicer buncha guys



Don't you think it would help its international position for
Israel to end its occupation of southern Syria before making demands
on Syria? It has been well known for year in Israel, right from
Moshe Dayan, that it provoked Syria into defending itself during the
1967 war solely for the purpose of stealing the Syrian Heights.



Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding
the 1967 war?

Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were
living on stolen Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria
certainly has a right to shell its own territory

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a
down range missile test range.

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could
certainly have been put to international arbitration.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the
real and only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is
what he said. It has been confirmed by his daughter.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The
propaganda has been discredited. There is no point in trying to
resurrect it today.

Ignoring

Ignoring Moshe Dayan is truly incredible.

inconvenient facts like the eighteen years of Syrian artillery
raining down from the Golan Heights on Israeli civilians

If Israel was permitting its citizens to live on occupied Syrian territory that
means they committed a hanging offense as per the Nuremberg Tribunal. It is
crime against humanity.

And the civilians living on occupied Syrian land was also criminals as are
those today who are living on the Syrian Heights, in the West Bank and in East
Jerusalem. It is occupied territory. Both Israel's Attorney General and the
Chief Justice of Israel's Supreme Court agree they are occuppied territories.
That makes the squatters and those who permit them to squat are war criminals.

It is also the right of any country to attack anyone encroaching on its
sovereign territory. Even without pointing out the squatters were criminals it
is obvious they were choosing to put their lives in danger and Syria had every
right to use deadly force to drive foreigners out of Syrian territory. Syria has
no fewer rights because Zionists wanted to steal their land.

just because it
doesn't fit your anti-Semitic view of the world tells us all we need to
know about what kind of person you are.

The truth cannot be anti-semitic. Settling citizens on occupied territory is a
crime against humanity as per Nuremberg. It is also designated a war crime in
post war treaties and conventions Israel has signed.

You cannot justify a war crime no matter how hard you try.

To quote the late American Ambassador and Senator Daniel Patrick
Moynihan, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not
entitled to their own facts."

And the facts are Moshe Dayan gave the only reason for picking a fight with
Syria during the 1967 war. And that also shows Israel was never in danger during
the 67 war giving the lie to another piece of Israeli propaganda.

I don't know how you got out of my kill file, but your going right back in.

That will save me a lot of time setting you straight on the designated war
crimes in this world and who is committing them.

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Hey Matt, the laundry called while you were out. They want to know if
you want your brown shirts washed with or without starch.

ALV

Andrew Venor wrote:
Hey Matt, the laundry called while you were out. They want to know if
you want your brown shirts washed with or without starch.

Tell them to do the same you have done to your brown kippa.

Note for the historically challenged: Brown shirts refers to Fascists in Italy
not Nazis in Germany. It is only the much worse Marxists who refer to the Nazis
as Fascists. This implies Mr. Venor is a Marxist who is ten times worse than the
worst Nazis are accused of.

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Matt Giwer wrote:


If Israel was permitting its citizens to live on occupied Syrian
territory that means they committed a hanging offense as per the
Nuremberg Tribunal. It is crime against humanity.

Captured territory that is no longer Syrian. The Syrians lost the fight,
so they lose the land. Spoils of war and all that.

In just about every other war the loosers lose and the winners win. And
Israel is not permitted?

Bob Kolker

Robert Kolker wrote:
Matt Giwer wrote:
If Israel was permitting its citizens to live on occupied Syrian
territory that means they committed a hanging offense as per the
Nuremberg Tribunal. It is crime against humanity.

Captured territory that is no longer Syrian. The Syrians lost the fight,
so they lose the land. Spoils of war and all that.

Israel had not claimed to have annexed it therefore it remains Syria. You are
putting the cart before the horse.

Should Israel ever claim to annex it that annexation will have to be recognized
by the rest of the world. At the moment no country in the world recognizes
Israel's claim to have annexed Jerusalem. How much luck do you think it will
have with any other annexation claim?

In just about every other war the loosers lose and the winners win. And
Israel is not permitted?

Because as a condition of becoming a member of the UN it swore never to do such
a thing. And that is the most likely explanation for why it has NOT claimed to
have annexed southern Syria.

Why is it you izziehuggers do not know even the most elementary facts about the
region? Do you work at remaining ignorant? Or do you simply memorize the
propaganda and spout it hoping no one knows enough to expose the lies?

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Matt Giwer wrote in
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Do you mean the Golan Heights, where the Syrian Army had been firing
artillery down on Israeli civilians for the eighteen years preceding
the 1967 war?

Actually I was refering to the shelling of Israelis who were living
on stolen
Syrian land fronting the Sea of Galilee. Syria certainly has a right to
shell its own territory

Israel begs to differ and they are able to enforce their
preferences directly.

I have similarly suggested Syria lease the Heights to Iran as a
down range
missile test range.

And Israel could make Damascus the target area for an artillery
range. Its that close. Wouldn't be a whole lot the Syrians could do
about that.
Not to mention that having Iranian rockets overflying Iraq might have
other consequences..

If there was a dispute over the land in question then it could
certainly have
been put to international arbitration.

The Israelis aren't likely to agree to that things being the way
they are.

In any event, despite the Israeli propaganda, Moshe Dayan give the
real and
only reason for provoking Syria. To steal the land. That is what he
said. It has been confirmed by his daughter.

Yeah right.

It was this revelation which shot down the Israeli propaganda. The
propaganda
has been discredited. There is no point in trying to resurrect it today.

Jeeez, Fugginazi revisionist history, gotta love it.

IBM