Riding vs Flying -- How many here ride?

"John Gaquin" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.

And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake 50-100
car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they encounter. That's
high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire of a responsible
driver.

I said it to Morgans, and I'll say it here. It's because of
ass holes on the road that get ****ed at other drivers for
nothing that have caused me to do what I do.

Believe me, I was starting to go down that road myself. I was
starting to take off people's mirrors and kick their doors
whenever I was slighted on the road. Would you rather I go
back to doing that instead of driving the way I do now? hmmmm?

Brian
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John Gaquin wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:wBWpg.143

I agree, but the issue is that the rule is stupid and should be changed.


And you have some inherent right to arbitrarily disregard rules you consider
stupid? Work to get the rule changed. Until such time, abide by the rules.

I never said that or even hinted at it. Have you always had this
problem with reading comprehension?

Matt

Jay Honeck wrote:

But as I sit typing this on a peaceful Sunday morning in a quiet, suburban
neighborhood, I feel it is incumbent upon me to remind you all of something:
a lot of you are really LOUD. How do I know when the guy five streets over
has decided to go riding? Because I have ears.

The next time some motorist behaves rudely or callously towards
you--behavior which I certainly do not condone, by the way--consider that
their nerves may be on edge from lack of sleep, or having the peace of a
Sunday morning shattered. As I just did in the middle of typing this.


Absolutely, 100% agree. Motorcyclists with straight pipes are no
better than truckers who use their "jake brakes" around town -- they're
inconsiderate morons.

Personally, I would support the death penalty for both offenses -- but
I seem to be in the minority.

I would, but only for the second offense. I'd use flogging for the
first offense. :-)

Matt

Bob Noel wrote:

In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:


"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:wBWpg.143

I agree, but the issue is that the rule is stupid and should be changed.

And you have some inherent right to arbitrarily disregard rules you consider
stupid? Work to get the rule changed. Until such time, abide by the rules.


otoh - he isn't disregarding a rule because he thinks he is more important
than me. His stated reason is that he believes he is safer. Let's not
lose sight of the fact that four wheel drivers are a major risk for
motorcycle riders.

Well, first of all, I never said that I disregard this rule or any
other. Read again what I wrote. I said I thought the rule was stupid.
I've never lane split myself and would only do so where it is
permitted. However, I do think the rule prohibiting lane splitting is
stupid.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
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John Gaquin wrote:

"Skywise" wrote in message

Another favorite tactic is white lining. In a perfect
scenario I white line to the front while everyone is stopped
at a red light. ........The upshot is that
I am only near other vehicles when they aren't moving.


And every time you pull that sort of stunt, you leave in your wake
50-100 car drivers highly ****ed at the next motorcycles they
encounter. That's high school crap, and has no place in the repertoire
of a responsible driver.

Baloney. It is simply a good idea that hasn't yet come to fruition in
many places in the US. Encouraging motorcycle riding by allowing lane
splitting is at least as good an idea as having bus and car pool lanes.

It's has it's pro's and con's. There's a time to do it, and a
time to refrain. There are many times I don't do it because of
an increased risk. I particularly hate starting down the line
and having the light turn green before I get to the front.
Drivers have this awful habit of swerving back and forth as
they accelerate.

I'd like to also ad that I have heard from multiple sources,
including a few cops, that white lining is encouraged for
motorcycle officers. Supposedly it has been found to be
safer than staying back and getting squished between the car
in front and the drunk behind that doesn't see the stopped
traffic.



People should be rewarded for saving fuel, especially when it doesn't
harm others. Allowing motorcycles to lane split doesn't really have any
significant adverse impact on the cars stuck in the line so what is the
harm assuming it is done prudently and safely? I'm not talking about
riding 60 MPH between a closely spaced line of cars, but most
interstates provide at least 6' between cars and that is plenty for a
motorcyle to ride in at 15-20 MPH.

This is an exampel of when white lining should not be done.
Except on rare occasion, my personal rule of thumb is if I
can maintain 4th gear on the freeway, I go with the flow.
And if I do whiteline on the freeway, I keep it to no more
than 10mph faster than traffic. That way if something happens,
like the idiot who decudes to change lanes without signaling
or looking - or the asshole who doesn't liek motorcyclists
whitelining - I only have to lose 5-10 mph to avoid an
incident.

Brian
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Newps wrote:



Morgans wrote:

"Newps" wrote


I'm well aware of that and make those decisions daily, like any
parent. But these are absolutes.



One day, they will be out from under your control.


These are not lifelong rules, just rules while they live here.

And this is one rule they will be sure to break ... while still living
with you. And very likely get hurt in the process as they'll break it
with a bunch of friends rather than riding under your direct
supervision. But as the TV commercial used to say, "You make the call."





That is what I did, regarding the bike issue.


A teenager has zero business riding a motorcycle in traffic.

I disagree completely. I started riding on the street as soon as I got
my license at 16. However, I'd ridden for close to 6 years off-road and
that is what I'd recommend for any youngster that has a interest in
riding. You can wreck with much less chance of a serious injury and you
don't have to worry about a car running over you after you fall.

Matt

Morgans wrote:

"Bob Noel" wrote


otoh - he isn't disregarding a rule because he thinks he is more important
than me. His stated reason is that he believes he is safer. Let's not
lose sight of the fact that four wheel drivers are a major risk for
motorcycle riders.


That is nothing but a bunch of bull. He does it because he can get away
with it. The other (because it is safer) is just an attempt at
justification.

I'm amazed at how many of you can't read.

Matt

"Morgans" wrote in
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FlipSide wrote

But isn't the reason those drivers get upset is because they are
impatient, in a hurry and jealous that the motorcyclist is now ahead
of them?

It is all about playing by the rules, and the ones who think that they
are better than everyone else, and cutting to the front.

He has no more right than I do to be at the front of the line. Period.

When everybody else starts obeying the rules and stops
endangering my well being while on the road, then we'll
talk.

I obeyed the rules for the first 10 years or so of driving
and all it got me was grief and frustration at nearly
being killed every couple miles because of the phucktards
that have no business behind the wheel.

My actions are in reaction to what other people do on the
road. I tried playing mr. niceguy. Sorry, No more.

Like I said in another post just now, what I do is a much
better solution than what I was starting to do. If I had
continued down the path I was, I'm sure I'd be in jail
by now.

Brian
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In article , Matt Whiting
wrote:

I agree, but the issue is that the rule is stupid and should be changed.

And you have some inherent right to arbitrarily disregard rules you
consider
stupid? Work to get the rule changed. Until such time, abide by the
rules.

otoh - he isn't disregarding a rule because he thinks he is more important
than me. His stated reason is that he believes he is safer. Let's not
lose sight of the fact that four wheel drivers are a major risk for
motorcycle riders.

Well, first of all, I never said that I disregard this rule or any
other. Read again what I wrote. I said I thought the rule was stupid.
I've never lane split myself and would only do so where it is
permitted. However, I do think the rule prohibiting lane splitting is
stupid.

ok. I lost track of who said what. I was thinking of Skywise's post
on lane splitting or white lining or whatever it's called. Primarily
I was responding to the post claiming that they knew what the
motivation for the practice. I did not mean to imply that anyone
was disregarding a rule.

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Bob Noel wrote in
:

In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message news:wBWpg.143

I agree, but the issue is that the rule is stupid and should be
changed.

And you have some inherent right to arbitrarily disregard rules you
consider stupid? Work to get the rule changed. Until such time, abide
by the rules.

otoh - he isn't disregarding a rule because he thinks he is more
important than me. His stated reason is that he believes he is safer.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that four wheel drivers are a major
risk for motorcycle riders.

Thank you!!!! I do this because I have founf through empirical
evidence that it is safer.

Remember, I've been doing this for almost 20 years now. I've
had lots of time to try different tactics.

Brian
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