What to do about North Korea...?

"Matt Whiting" wrote:


What a bunch of crap.

Couldn't very well call it a bunch of left wing crap, could you?

I'm sure you remember...

"Mission accomplished!"
- Banner welcoming George W. Bush aboard the USS Lincoln, May, 2003?

But now listen to the dean of American conservative journalism:

"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed."
--Wm. F. Buckley, February, 2006

It takes some very intense denial to see the invasion of Iraq as anything
but a grotesque blunder. Even serious American conservative thinkers are
beginning to admit this. Now, the harm done is becoming evident: American
power and international influence--squandered in Iraq--are in short supply
when needed to confront *real* threats.

--
Dan

"Hell hath no fury like a noncombatant."
-Mitchell Coffey

Dan Luke wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote:


What a bunch of crap.


Couldn't very well call it a bunch of left wing crap, could you?

Wouldn't make any difference any more than distinguishing cow manure
from horse manure.


I'm sure you remember...

"Mission accomplished!"
- Banner welcoming George W. Bush aboard the USS Lincoln, May, 2003?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in May 2003, the USS Lincoln *was*
returning home (to its home port in Washington). Its mission certainly
was acccomplished, and with pride. Please try to pay attention with a
little more care.


But now listen to the dean of American conservative journalism:

"One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed."
--Wm. F. Buckley, February, 2006

And who elected this genius "dean?" I missed that election.


It takes some very intense denial to see the invasion of Iraq as anything
but a grotesque blunder. Even serious American conservative thinkers are
beginning to admit this. Now, the harm done is becoming evident: American
power and international influence--squandered in Iraq--are in short supply
when needed to confront *real* threats.

Uh huh. So sorry to see a tyrant committing atrocities on his own
people disposed of to a courtroom, I see. Probably much easier for you
to turn your back on it and pretend otherwise. Conversely, I think it
is a good thing, no, a great thing, that someone who maintained
political control through rape rooms and lobbing off ears, not to
mention horrible God-awful unspeakable pain through torture is out of
the picture. Think how much you would want your wife, sister, mother,
daughter to be raped by henchman of the state to influence you because
you are "suspected" of being not completely loyal to a dictator.

("John" wrote)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but in May 2003, the USS Lincoln *was*
returning home (to its home port in Washington). Its mission certainly
was acccomplished, and with pride. Please try to pay attention with a
little more care.


I do pay attention!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in580661.shtml
The lie(s).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in614998.shtml
The truth.

The Pentagon lied to protect the president. If they lied over something this
stoooopid, don't you think they will also lie when it really matters? YES,
they will.


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("John" wrote)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but in May 2003, the USS Lincoln *was*
returning home (to its home port in Washington). Its mission certainly
was acccomplished, and with pride. Please try to pay attention with a
little more care.


I do pay attention!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in580661.shtml
The lie(s).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in614998.shtml
The truth.

The Pentagon lied to protect the president. If they lied over something
this stoooopid, don't you think they will also lie when it really matters?
YES, they will.

Ah, yes...CBS News, home of Dan Rather.

Giggle

"John" wrote:

Dan Luke wrote:

[snip]

I'm sure you remember...

"Mission accomplished!"
- Banner welcoming George W. Bush aboard the USS Lincoln, May, 2003?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in May 2003, the USS Lincoln *was*
returning home (to its home port in Washington). Its mission certainly
was acccomplished, and with pride. Please try to pay attention with a
little more care.

Utter baloney. The Bush appearance aboard the Lincoln was a cynically
arranged propaganda show, meant to pump up the President's image with the
lie that something of value to the U. S. had been accomplished in Iraq.

[snip]

It takes some very intense denial to see the invasion of Iraq as anything
but a grotesque blunder. Even serious American conservative thinkers are
beginning to admit this. Now, the harm done is becoming evident:
American power and international influence--squandered in Iraq--are in
short supply when needed to confront *real* threats.

Uh huh. So sorry to see a tyrant committing atrocities on his own people
disposed of to a courtroom, I see. Probably much easier for you to turn
your back on it and pretend otherwise. Conversely, I think it is a good
thing, no, a great thing, that someone who maintained political control
through rape rooms and lobbing off ears, not to mention horrible God-awful
unspeakable pain through torture is out of the picture. Think how much
you would want your wife, sister, mother, daughter to be raped by henchman
of the state to influence you because you are "suspected" of being not
completely loyal to a dictator.

That is a feeble attempt to dodge the real issue: America's security has
been profoundly harmed by the fiasco in Iraq. Beyond the wasted lives,
resources and diplomatic capital, our own National Intelligence Council has
concluded that the war has created a vast new terrorist training and
recruiting ground where none existed bfo
============================
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan13.html

Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the
opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national
intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the
best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are
not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will
therefore disperse to various other countries."
=============================

It is dishonest of Bush/Cheney apologists to pretend that the U. S. went to
Iraq to "save" its people from Saddam. Even worse is the apologists'
attempt to portray critics of the war as indifferent to that people's
suffering.

The world is full of evil dictators; it is not America's duty to depose them
by force and rebuild nations when they are gone--if indeed such
nation-building is even possible, which events in Iraq cast into extreme
doubt.

--
Dan

"These are exciting times for the Iraqi people!"
-George W. Bush

Dan Luke wrote:

"John" wrote:


Dan Luke wrote:


[snip]

I'm sure you remember...

"Mission accomplished!"
- Banner welcoming George W. Bush aboard the USS Lincoln, May, 2003?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in May 2003, the USS Lincoln *was*
returning home (to its home port in Washington). Its mission certainly
was acccomplished, and with pride. Please try to pay attention with a
little more care.


Utter baloney. The Bush appearance aboard the Lincoln was a cynically
arranged propaganda show, meant to pump up the President's image with the
lie that something of value to the U. S. had been accomplished in Iraq.

So what? Every politician from every party has done that since the
1800s. You make it sound like it is something unique to GWB or the
Republicans.

Matt

Dan Luke wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote:


What a bunch of crap.


Couldn't very well call it a bunch of left wing crap, could you?

Crap is crap. The source isn't relevant.

Matt