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Filming a movie is not necessary, it is optional. There may
even be alternative ways to film the scene. Those are things that the FAA will consider before issuing a waiver. It is possible that the scene was filmed in Mexico or some other country, but that might make it legal, but it is still unsafe. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P land and seaplane rated "Jose" wrote in message . net... | THAT operation is illegal, unsafe and unnecessary. | | If it's the same takeoff I'm thinking of, it was most definately | necessary. How else would it be filmed for the movie? | | Jose | -- | The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. | for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Filming a movie is not necessary, it is optional. There may
even be alternative ways to film the scene. Those are things that the FAA will consider before issuing a waiver. Flying is not necessary either. It is possible that the scene was filmed in Mexico or some other country, but that might make it legal, but it is still unsafe. I do not agree that it is unsafe, except inasmuch as breathing causes death. That's a very long lens on the camera; this compresses perspective. Just like aerobatics demonstrations (which are unnecessary), the visual tricks fool the viewer into thinking things are a lot closer than they are. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Note the time delay is just a few seconds as the airplane
passes overhead and the wake rocks the boat, that was not a telephoto lens but a real close pass. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "Jose" wrote in message .com... | Filming a movie is not necessary, it is optional. There may | even be alternative ways to film the scene. Those are | things that the FAA will consider before issuing a waiver. | | Flying is not necessary either. | | It is possible that the scene was filmed in Mexico or some | other country, but that might make it legal, but it is still | unsafe. | | I do not agree that it is unsafe, except inasmuch as breathing causes | death. That's a very long lens on the camera; this compresses | perspective. Just like aerobatics demonstrations (which are | unnecessary), the visual tricks fool the viewer into thinking things are | a lot closer than they are. | | Jose | -- | The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. | for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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In article kXwrg.62937$ZW3.47903@dukeread04,
"Jim Macklin" wrote: Note the time delay is just a few seconds as the airplane passes overhead and the wake rocks the boat, that was not a telephoto lens but a real close pass. And how do you know there was not some special effects contraption out of sight behind the rowboat to generate those waves? Remember... it's only a movie! |
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And it could all be CG from ILM starring real space aliens.
Your point is that you want to defend an unsafe operation and I am suggesting that pilot's put legality and safety on the top rung. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "john smith" wrote in message ... | In article kXwrg.62937$ZW3.47903@dukeread04, | "Jim Macklin" wrote: | | Note the time delay is just a few seconds as the airplane | passes overhead and the wake rocks the boat, that was not a | telephoto lens but a real close pass. | | And how do you know there was not some special effects contraption out | of sight behind the rowboat to generate those waves? | Remember... it's only a movie! |
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In article kXwrg.62937$ZW3.47903@dukeread04,
"Jim Macklin" wrote: Note the time delay is just a few seconds as the airplane passes overhead and the wake rocks the boat, that was not a telephoto lens but a real close pass. I watched the scene several times last night. Note that the camera pans down to see the boat "rocked" but by what? The bow wave doesn't look close to the boat and it seems hard to figure out the distant between the plane and the boat. Doesn't a long lens put the background out of focus? (or did I get that backwards?) -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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![]() "Bob Noel" wrote Doesn't a long lens put the background out of focus? (or did I get that backwards?) Yep. Everything is in focus with the long lens. -- Jim in NC |
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Yep. Everything is in focus with the long lens.
Nope. With a long lens, the depth of field is narrowed. That means that if the foreground is in focus, the background will be =more= out of focus than it would be had one used a short lens. There are of course other variables (f-stop and film format) but all else equal, the long lens narrows the depth of field and makes things seem "on top of each other". You can also get a sense of relative distance if you know the sizes of the plane and boat in question, and measure the image. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Bob Noel wrote: In article kXwrg.62937$ZW3.47903@dukeread04, "Jim Macklin" wrote: Note the time delay is just a few seconds as the airplane passes overhead and the wake rocks the boat, that was not a telephoto lens but a real close pass. I watched the scene several times last night. Note that the camera pans down to see the boat "rocked" but by what? The bow wave doesn't look close to the boat and it seems hard to figure out the distant between the plane and the boat. Doesn't a long lens put the background out of focus? (or did I get that backwards?) Focus is a function of "depth of field" which is determined by the apperature (f-stop) and shutter speed. The higher the f-stop (smaller the apperature) the more the light rays which pass through the lense are parallel, making the background more in focus. |
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Note the time delay is just a few seconds as the airplane
passes overhead and the wake rocks the boat, that was not a telephoto lens but a real close pass. It was most definately a telephoto lens. I'm not convinced that the wave that rocks the boat is the bow wave. We could figure all this out - what kind of plane was it, what is its dimensions? (hull width, engine spacing, wingspan). What is its typical approach speed? It was also a close pass, but nowhere near as close as it looks. That's how movies work. And remember, right at the end of a regular short runway is stuff you don't want to hit too, but we take off of short runways all the time. It would be reckless for you and I and a few friends to go and do this. However, Hollywood stunt people are well trained in these kinds of things, they know, understand, and accept the risks (just like aerobatics pilots do things that would be reckless for you or I to do alone). I have no problem with the flying in the shot. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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