Ladies & Gentlemen: Happy Fourth!

Jay,

Do the rules differ in any real way, or are they just goofy little
regulatory differences that have no immediate impact on most real
flights. (For example, if Belgium's VFR cloud restrictions are
different than France's, it's just a "gotcha" on a test, rather than
anything "real".)

They differ from the US in a substantial way, they differ within Europe in
small, but sometimes important ways. For example, in Spain, every VFR flight
needs to file a flight plan. Also, you need to file for cross-border
flights, although within EU countries that have signed the Schengen accord,
there's neither passport nor customs control. Jeppesen published VFR manuals
here, called Bottlang manuals. They offer one-time trip kits which list the
differences from ICAO standard.

What does a rental checkout involve? Will (for example) a German FBO
be comfortable renting Mary and me an airplane for a week? How about
if they know I'm going to fly outside of Germany?

Pretty much the same as in the US. They want to know you can fly (from
grass, too, since most fields are turf - well kept turf, though). They want
to know you are familiar enough with the regs. English in the radio is not a
problem, except in France ;-) As for the weekly rental, they would probably
want daily minimums, just as in the US. However, if you make a connection
through one of the Europeans here, that would probably make it easier. As
for flying outside Germany, they would want to know the rough itinerary, but
otherwise it is no problem. There are higher insurance coverages required in
some countries, but they are covered with the usual FBO insurance. For
example, the Danish raised theirs to exactly 18 million Danish Crowns after
a plane crashed into a factory, the insurance wouldn't pay that much and the
state had to pick up 18 million. Kind of funny.

Okay, so it sounds like renting a plane for a flight around Europe will
cost at least 100% more than flying Atlas here in the States.

When I rent in the US, I pay about 90 to 100 $ for a beat-up Cessna. You'd
pay a little less than double that, yes.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:09:58 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote in
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English in the radio is not a problem, except in France ;-)

Are you referring to the fact that French pilots tend to announce
position reports at uncontrolled fields in their native tongue?

Larry,

Are you referring to the fact that French pilots tend to announce
position reports at uncontrolled fields in their native tongue?


That's done in every country I know of, including the US. I was
referring to the fact that even controllers often speak only very
marginal English, and that Air France pilots will talk in French even
at CDG.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:39:57 +0200, Thomas Borchert wrote:

Larry,

Are you referring to the fact that French pilots tend to announce
position reports at uncontrolled fields in their native tongue?


That's done in every country I know of, including the US. I was
referring to the fact that even controllers often speak only very
marginal English, and that Air France pilots will talk in French even
at CDG.

.... and French is an ICAO language, IIRC.

I've been to some smaller airports in the US and there has been almost some
form of local 'slang' and wording, mostly on visual references not
mentioned on any chart and mostly only known to locals.

one example for CHD (Chandler, AZ):
Tower: "next report Hamilton High (school)"
I had to ask a local to show me on a map where I can find this highschool.

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In article ,
Martin Hotze wrote:

one example for CHD (Chandler, AZ):
Tower: "next report Hamilton High (school)"
I had to ask a local to show me on a map where I can find this highschool.

A simple "unfamilar" would have stopped that (or at least should have).

--
Bob Noel
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lawyers will hate

On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:56:42 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

one example for CHD (Chandler, AZ):
Tower: "next report Hamilton High (school)"
I had to ask a local to show me on a map where I can find this highschool.

A simple "unfamilar" would have stopped that (or at least should have).

sure it would have .. but I wanted to point out that mostly there are
references to/for locals only. Standard would be (IMHO) to refer to the
published references.

#m
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:44:44 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote in
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Tower: "next report Hamilton High (school)"
I had to ask a local to show me on a map where I can find this highschool.

I would think the aerial view of a high school would be distinctive
enough to be recognized by most folks; just look for the oval track in
the grass surrounded by classrooms. Other uncharted visual reference
points might be more difficult to identify.

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:44:44 +0200, Martin Hotze
wrote in
::

Tower: "next report Hamilton High (school)"
I had to ask a local to show me on a map where I can find this highschool.

I would think the aerial view of a high school would be distinctive
enough to be recognized by most folks; just look for the oval track in
the grass surrounded by classrooms. Other uncharted visual reference
points might be more difficult to identify.

Austrian schools do not have football fields with running tracks around
them. One has to be familiar with what one is looking at to recognize it.

On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:58:20 GMT, john smith wrote:

Austrian schools do not have football fields with running tracks around

not generally, but we have running tracks around our socker fields.
but a running track around a field does not neccessarily point out a
school.

them. One has to be familiar with what one is looking at to recognize it.

and if I had 100% positive ID of highschool, how do I know that it is the
mentioned highschool? It was not painted on their roof or something to that
effect. *g*

#m
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Did you ever realize how much text fits in eighty columns? If you now consider
that a signature usually consists of up to four lines, this gives you enough
space to spread a tremendous amount of information with your messages. So seize
this opportunity and don't waste your signature with bull**** nobody will read.

On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:18:58 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Tower: "next report Hamilton High (school)"
I had to ask a local to show me on a map where I can find this highschool.

I would think the aerial view of a high school would be distinctive
enough to be recognized by most folks; just look for the oval track in
the grass surrounded by classrooms. Other uncharted visual reference
points might be more difficult to identify.

you might notice that aviation is international and that therefore - for
obvious reasons - there might be a small percentage (*doh*) of people in
this world who have never seen a highschool from outside, from inside or
from above and have no idea that a oval track is a _sure_ (!) sign of a
highschool. And how are classfrooms identified from above? And how will I
find out that I found out the _correct_ highschool (if I would have been
able to identify the construction as a high school)?

#m
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Did you ever realize how much text fits in eighty columns? If you now consider
that a signature usually consists of up to four lines, this gives you enough
space to spread a tremendous amount of information with your messages. So seize
this opportunity and don't waste your signature with bull**** nobody will read.