What to do about North Korea...?

So if a civil war develops, causes the death of hundreds of thousends
innocent people who have done nothing wrong (particularly not to you),
probably millions loose their home and everything they have (which in
most cases wasn't much to start with), a whole generation of children
has no chance to live a normal childhood but has to grow up in war, hate
and fear etc. etc., *you win*? What a disgusting point of view!

Welcome to geopolitics, Stefan. I didn't say it was a good thing --
but it's the real deal.

Bottom line: Screwing with the U.S. (at least since 1945) has
traditionally been a lose-lose situation. Even Viet Nam, which
supposedly "won" its war with America, lost two generations to war.
Some victory.

Why do you think so few countries are dumb enough to try it?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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"Jay Honeck" wrote:

Bottom line: Screwing with the U.S. (at least since 1945) has
traditionally been a lose-lose situation. Even Viet Nam, which
supposedly "won" its war with America, lost two generations to war.
Some victory.
Why do you think so few countries are dumb enough to try it?

In the words of the great Japanese Admiral Yamamoto, "I fear we have
awakened a great sleeping giant."
Or a truely great American President, Teddy Roosevelt, "Walk softly and
carry a big stick."

Jay,

Why do you think so few countries are dumb enough to try it?


Why do YOU think they crash airliners into your biggest buildings?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Because they are the Muslem enemy.

Karl

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Jay,

Why do you think so few countries are dumb enough to try it?


Why do YOU think they crash airliners into your biggest buildings?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:

Why do you think so few countries are dumb enough to try it?

Why do YOU think they crash airliners into your biggest buildings?

To try to incite others into attacking the USA.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Why do you think so few countries are dumb enough to try it?

Why do YOU think they crash airliners into your biggest buildings?

What you or I think is irrelevant. The bottom line is that when anyone
has yanked America's chain hard enough, they have always lost...always
-- even when they "won".

And this isn't just true of America, by the way. It's the old "don't
tug on Superman's cape" rule that pretty much defines the geopolitical
world -- and has for millenia.

Don't believe it? Ask Germany's Hitler, Italy's Mussolini, Japan's
Hirohito and Tojo, Iraq's Saddam, Al Queda's Al Zarqawi, Panama's
Noriega, Serbia's Milosevic...the list goes on and on.

Even the few apparent "winners" on the short list of those who have
gone toe-to-toe with America -- the North Vietnamese, Cuba's Fidel
Castro, and Osama bin Laden, to name three -- lost so much in the
process of "winning" as to dissuade most people from even attempting to
rile America.

For example, the Vietnamese won the war, but lost two (three?)
generations of young men -- and, in the end, America accomplished its
long-range strategic goal of stopping communism.

Fidel Castro has stuck his tongue out at America for 45 years -- but
has been forced to live his life in a gilded cage, in constant fear of
assassination. And, with the fall of communism worldwide, he's
watched his power and prestige evaporate to the point where no one in
America (well, outside of Miami) has taken him seriously for at least a
decade.

And then, of course, bin Laden has attacked America and (thus far)
evaded capture. To accomplish this he is probably holed up in a cave
in Tora Bora, dodging the elite special forces unit that recently
brought down Al Zarqawi. Sound like fun?

I wouldn't characterize any of these supposed "victors" as having lived
anything approaching a fulfilling life -- and most thinking people see
their fate, and come to the same conclusion: Don't screw with America.


It remains to be seen if America can accomplish its long-range
strategic goals in this current war -- but I wouldn't bet against it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I wouldn't characterize any of these supposed "victors" as having lived
anything approaching a fulfilling life...

No, I suppose they haven't flown a Cherokee across the country with a
wife who is also a pilot and two children who may also become aviators.
They haven't opened an aviation themed hotel and argued on the
internet with kith and kin. They haven't done Oshkosh and partied
around the Mother Of All Grills.

But that's not fulfilling to everyone. Some people are fulfilled
sitting at the top of a tree for three days waiting for the Enemy Of The
World to pass by, and then pulling the trigger. THIS is fulfillment for
some. It is their victory.

Not me. I'd rather sit by the pool. But I am not going to define
victory for others based on what my whims in life are.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

I wouldn't characterize any of these supposed "victors" as having lived
anything approaching a fulfilling life...

No, I suppose they haven't flown a Cherokee across the country with a
wife who is also a pilot and two children who may also become aviators....

SNIP

Not me. I'd rather sit by the pool. But I am not going to define
victory for others based on what my whims in life are.

Me, neither.

My point, Jose, is that these "victories" have come at such a high
personal cost to those who achieved them as to dissuade most thinking
people from even trying to mess with America.

Why? Because most people DON'T want to spend their lives on the run,
living in a cave.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

My point, Jose, is that these "victories" have come at such a high
personal cost to those who achieved them as to dissuade most thinking
people from even trying to mess with America.

Why? Because most people DON'T want to spend their lives on the run,
living in a cave.

But "most people" aren't the problem. It's the exceptions that are the
ones that cause us the headaches. These exceptions often do not have
our values, so to judge them by our values is folly. Some of them do
have our values, and are just smaller than we are, but perceive us as
being evil and very harmful to them. If a big galoot were raping your
sister, would you sit by because he's bigger than you and has whupped
lots of others? I suspect you'd give it your all, and accept the risk
of injury or death to save what you percieve as more important.

That big galoot might not consider your sister to be "important", and
might judge you irrational or insane to come after him. But I bet you
would.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jay Honeck schrieb:

Welcome to geopolitics, Stefan. I didn't say it was a good thing --
but it's the real deal.

You said *you win*. Disgusting.

Stefan