Passport or no?

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Emily wrote:
Don't condescend.

I'm not following. How was I condescending? You didn't post your age so
I wouldn't know how old you are.

I'm posting in a pilot newsgroup. I thought that made it obvious that I
was at least 17.

snip

A birth certificate should have worked as well. The INS doesn't really
have a lot of choice. They can't deny an American entry back into the
country, they can only delay or arrest you.

Delay being the key word. I don't want to be delayed.

Emily wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Emily wrote:
Don't condescend.

I'm not following. How was I condescending? You didn't post your age so
I wouldn't know how old you are.

I'm posting in a pilot newsgroup. I thought that made it obvious that I
was at least 17.

In your post you said "Two years ago, a friend and I took a quick trip
to TJ". If you were 17 today (still below the legal US drinking age and
above the age to "find" alcohol in Mexico) that would have made you 15.
So I would say it reasonable that parents be called when a 15 year old
attempts to return from Mexico without documentation.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Emily wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:
Emily wrote:
Don't condescend.
I'm not following. How was I condescending? You didn't post your age so
I wouldn't know how old you are.
I'm posting in a pilot newsgroup. I thought that made it obvious that I
was at least 17.

In your post you said "Two years ago, a friend and I took a quick trip
to TJ". If you were 17 today (still below the legal US drinking age and
above the age to "find" alcohol in Mexico) that would have made you 15.
So I would say it reasonable that parents be called when a 15 year old
attempts to return from Mexico without documentation.

Oh, fine. I suppose you had no way of knowing that I never had a sip of
alcohol before turning 21.

*I*, not immigration, had to call his parents because we were staying at
his parents house that weekend. Neither of us lived in San Diego at the
time. Since we'd stopped by from out of the country, his passport was
at his parents house in his luggage, so his dad drove it down for for me
to walk it back across the border for him.

Emily wrote:

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Emily wrote:
Don't condescend.

I'm not following. How was I condescending? You didn't post your age so
I wouldn't know how old you are.

I'm posting in a pilot newsgroup. I thought that made it obvious that I
was at least 17.

That's the first I have heard that assertion. Why would you need to be age 17
to post in this or any other newsgroup?


snip

A birth certificate should have worked as well. The INS doesn't really
have a lot of choice. They can't deny an American entry back into the
country, they can only delay or arrest you.

Delay being the key word. I don't want to be delayed.

Which is not relevant to needing a passport. A birth certificate is also
sufficient for many places, including Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, much of the
Caribbean, and some other countries including Panama. This apparently will
change in the future.

Jessica Rhodes wrote:

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That's the first I have heard that assertion. Why would you need to be age 17
to post in this or any other newsgroup?

Since I've made postings alluding to my ratings, it's obvious to anyone
with any sort of knowledge of the FARs that I am at the very least 18.

snip

Which is not relevant to needing a passport. A birth certificate is also
sufficient for many places, including Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, much of the
Caribbean, and some other countries including Panama. This apparently will
change in the future.

How is it NOT relevant? As people have already said, individual
inspectors sometimes make up their own rules. Why get bogged down in
immigration when you don't need to? Personally, I think it's a bad idea
to leave the country without a passport, and there appear to be several
others who agree with me.

Emily wrote:

Jessica Rhodes wrote:

snip

That's the first I have heard that assertion. Why would you need to be age 17
to post in this or any other newsgroup?

Since I've made postings alluding to my ratings, it's obvious to anyone
with any sort of knowledge of the FARs that I am at the very least 18.

And are those ratings cited in this thread? Do you expect others to investigate
every post you ever made so that they can insinuate how old you might be?

You also said, "I'm posting in a pilot newsgroup. I thought that made it obvious
that I was at least 17." Again, how does posting in a newsgroup make any
poster's age "obvious???" You didn't say anything about posting ratings at that
time either. Please explain your 'logic.'



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Which is not relevant to needing a passport. A birth certificate is also
sufficient for many places, including Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, much of the
Caribbean, and some other countries including Panama. This apparently will
change in the future.

How is it NOT relevant?

Because attempting to cross the border with a driver's license only and being
rejected only does not indicate that a passport is required. Simple logic.

As people have already said, individual
inspectors sometimes make up their own rules. Why get bogged down in
immigration when you don't need to? Personally, I think it's a bad idea
to leave the country without a passport, and there appear to be several
others who agree with me.

What rule was made up? Did the person in question present a birth certificate and
the valid birth certificate was rejected???

Jessica Rhodes wrote:


What rule was made up? Did the person in question present a birth certificate and
the valid birth certificate was rejected???

You really are an idiot. Do you expect me to actually answer your
questions? I've never seen you post before, and that's either because
you're a troll or I kill-filed you years ago.

On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:00:50 -0500, Emily
wrote:

Jessica Rhodes wrote:


What rule was made up? Did the person in question present a birth certificate and
the valid birth certificate was rejected???

You really are an idiot. Do you expect me to actually answer your
questions? I've never seen you post before, and that's either because
you're a troll or I kill-filed you years ago.

This is use net. Any one of us can be any one or anything. Without a
bit of research or having been on the group long enough to become
recognized and have developed a reputation, there is nothing that can
really be assumed except the person you are talking to may not be what
they claim.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger

wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:00:50 -0500, Emily
wrote:

Jessica Rhodes wrote:

What rule was made up? Did the person in question present a birth certificate and
the valid birth certificate was rejected???
You really are an idiot. Do you expect me to actually answer your
questions? I've never seen you post before, and that's either because
you're a troll or I kill-filed you years ago.

This is use net. Any one of us can be any one or anything. Without a
bit of research or having been on the group long enough to become
recognized and have developed a reputation, there is nothing that can
really be assumed except the person you are talking to may not be what
they claim.

That's why I'm not answering her. *I've* never seen her post here.
But, like I said, it's very possible she's been plonked for years.

wrote

This is use net. Any one of us can be any one or anything. Without a
bit of research or having been on the group long enough to become
recognized and have developed a reputation, there is nothing that can
really be assumed except the person you are talking to may not be what
they claim.

You know, there is a real quiet kind of wisdom, in that paragraph.

Reputation is everything. You never know for sure what or where someone is,
or where they are coming from.

If a person has honor, they post what they are, and what they believe in,
without dodging around with new identities. Even if others do not agree
with them, that is OK. Some of the crackpots have used too many identities
to keep track of.

I've never posted under an assumed name. I'll bet that you haven't either,
and many others have not. I'm the kind of person that will tell a cashier
that they have given me too much change back. I don't take or keep stuff
that doesn't belong to me. If I tear up somebody's stuff, I'll make it
right with them.

The world needs more honest people.
--
Jim in NC