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Jordan wrote:
NONE of the Arab states that attacked Israel, as far as I know, has ever had _any_ operational nuclear weapons. What has protected them from annihilation has essentially been Israel's humaneness -- a frail shield considering that the Arabs wish to annihilate Israel. Humaneness is the Jewish Death Wish. Remember Amalek and blot his name out. Remember and do not forget. When Moshe Rabaynu (Moses our teacher) saw an Egyptian task master beat a Hebrew slave, Moses surpressed that primordial Jewish urge to be fair minded and consider the social forces that led to the task master's brutality. He surpressed that and killed the momser. Given a choice between having a tender heart and a tough mind, chose a tough mind. Bob Kolker |
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Robert Kolker wrote:
Jordan wrote: NONE of the Arab states that attacked Israel, as far as I know, has ever had _any_ operational nuclear weapons. What has protected them from annihilation has essentially been Israel's humaneness -- a frail shield considering that the Arabs wish to annihilate Israel. Humaneness is the Jewish Death Wish. Remember Amalek and blot his name out. Remember and do not forget. When Moshe Rabaynu (Moses our teacher) saw an Egyptian task master beat a Hebrew slave, Moses surpressed that primordial Jewish urge to be fair minded and consider the social forces that led to the task master's brutality. He surpressed that and killed the momser. Given a choice between having a tender heart and a tough mind, chose a tough mind. Given the choice between doing something rational and deciding actions based upon religious mythology the fundie believers will always choose the mythology. -- Extrajudicial killing is another term for cold blooded murder. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3666 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml commentary http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/running.phtml a5 |
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![]() Robert Kolker wrote: Humaneness is the Jewish Death Wish. Quite possibly. The thing that I find remarkable about the way in which the Arab-Israeli conflict is viewed internationally is the extreme restraint that Israel has shown towards nations that want to literally annihilate the Israeli people, and the way in which the international community nevertheless puts all the blame on Israel. If the Israelis had simply driven out the Arabs from conquered lands and never let them come back back in 1967, this would not be the case -- there would have been an outcry at the time, which would long since have been forgotten under the press of more recent news. - Jordan |
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Jordan wrote:
Robert Kolker wrote: Humaneness is the Jewish Death Wish. Quite possibly. The thing that I find remarkable about the way in which the Arab-Israeli conflict is viewed internationally is the extreme restraint that Israel has shown towards nations that want to literally annihilate the Israeli people, and the way in which the international community nevertheless puts all the blame on Israel. If the Israelis had simply driven out the Arabs from conquered lands and never let them come back back in 1967, this would not be the case -- there would have been an outcry at the time, which would long since have been forgotten under the press of more recent news. - Jordan So the removal of some 2,000,000 arabs from Palestine in 1947/48 to set up the Jewish State has nothing to do with this? Ricardo -- "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..." |
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Ricardo wrote:
So the removal of some 2,000,000 arabs from Palestine in 1947/48 to set up the Jewish State has nothing to do with this? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had as much to do with this "removal" as did the Jews who founded the State of Israel. Many Arab speaking Muslims and Christians removed themselves on the expectation and devout hope that the Jews would be shortly wiped out or driven from the region. It didn't work out that way. Sorry about that. Losing a war is such a bitch. Bob Kolker |
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Robert Kolker wrote:
Ricardo wrote: So the removal of some 2,000,000 arabs from Palestine in 1947/48 to set up the Jewish State has nothing to do with this? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had as much to do with this "removal" as did the Jews who founded the State of Israel. Many Arab speaking Muslims and Christians removed themselves on the expectation and devout hope that the Jews would be shortly wiped out or driven from the region. It didn't work out that way. Sorry about that. Losing a war is such a bitch. Bob Kolker I wasn't taking sides, merely making an historical observation. Think of it in terms of what you now call 'Native Americans' driving you off their tribal homelands from which they were forcibly removed and resettling them, and then bombing American cities when you tried to get it back. At least the Native Americans have more moral right to do that than the Israelis do with what they claim to be 'their' land. Ricardo -- "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..." |
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Robert Kolker wrote:
Ricardo wrote: So the removal of some 2,000,000 arabs from Palestine in 1947/48 to set up the Jewish State has nothing to do with this? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had as much to do with this "removal" as did the Jews who founded the State of Israel. Many Arab speaking Muslims and Christians removed themselves on the expectation and devout hope that the Jews would be shortly wiped out or driven from the region. It didn't work out that way. Sorry about that. Losing a war is such a bitch. So what is the problem with kicking out a bunch of foreigners from Europe who came to Palestine with the openly expressed intention of murdering Palestinians? And as they started terrorist bombings Palestinians markets in the early 1930s there was no reason to keep the foreigners around. As "removing themselves" that zionist lie has been long exposed even by Israeli historians so please do not try to work it in sideways. As for losing a war, the ONLY people who have never been formally at war with the European foreigners is the Palestinians. Bobbie, grow up and learn to face reality and stop hiding like a child behind zionists lie to salve your atheist conscience. EVERYONE knows they are lies. When you repeat them people pity your wounded conscience. -- It is not antisemitic to criticize Israel. It is antisemitic to effectively criticize Israel. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3645 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Blame Israel http://www.ussliberty.org a10 |
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Matt Giwer wrote:
Robert Kolker wrote: Ricardo wrote: So the removal of some 2,000,000 arabs from Palestine in 1947/48 to set up the Jewish State has nothing to do with this? The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had as much to do with this "removal" as did the Jews who founded the State of Israel. Many Arab speaking Muslims and Christians removed themselves on the expectation and devout hope that the Jews would be shortly wiped out or driven from the region. It didn't work out that way. Sorry about that. Losing a war is such a bitch. So what is the problem with kicking out a bunch of foreigners from Europe who came to Palestine with the openly expressed intention of murdering Palestinians? And as they started terrorist bombings Palestinians markets in the early 1930s there was no reason to keep the foreigners around. As "removing themselves" that zionist lie has been long exposed even by Israeli historians so please do not try to work it in sideways. As for losing a war, the ONLY people who have never been formally at war with the European foreigners is the Palestinians. Bobbie, grow up and learn to face reality and stop hiding like a child behind zionists lie to salve your atheist conscience. EVERYONE knows they are lies. When you repeat them people pity your wounded conscience. The fight against terrorism: Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...22/wbomb22.xml Ricardo -- "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice, and fear, walk hand in hand ..." |
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Ricardo wrote:
The fight against terrorism: Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...22/wbomb22.xml The whole thing is the claim the Brits were warned. The Brits say they were not. If it comes to taking the word of terrorists or the Brits, I'll take the Brits. What is amusing is if this had happened today under Israeli law the perps would be charged and convicted of multiple murders even if there was a warning even if they were not terrorists. And as Israel has been warned of being attacked by many groups and Israel has not been evacuated I do not see what they are whining about. -- If Israel's response in Gaza is legitimate for the capture of one soldier then Krystalnacht was a legitimate response to the murder of one ambassador. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3671 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Blame Israel http://www.ussliberty.org a10 |
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