Filing with a STAR

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:40:29 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

I've never understood why anybody would want to say "no SIDS, no STARS"


Before they were incorporated into the approach plates you had to buy
a separate SID/STAR book. Some people didn't do it because it cost
more (which is silly), and my home base didn't carry them.

HTH.
z

(Paul Tomblin) wrote in message ...
In a previous article, "Brad Salai" said:
I'm still studying for the rating, so I've never done this, but can't you
just say "no SIDS, no STARS" in the remarks, and they can't give it to you.

If they want you along the STAR, then all this will mean is that you will
have to copy and read back a full route clearance (which will look
suspiciously like the textual description of the STAR) instead of the name
of the STAR.

I've never understood why anybody would want to say "no SIDS, no STARS"
(or more correctly now, "no DPs, no STARS"?) unless they want practice
copying and reading back full route clearances.

They used to cost extra.

-Robert

"Brad Salai" wrote:
I'm still studying for the rating, so I've never done this, but can't you
just say "no SIDS, no STARS" in the remarks, and they can't give it to you.

That's a bit of sillyness left over from long ago. Assuming anybody
even notices the comment, they'll just assign you the full STAR route,
but instead of giving it to you as a STAR, they'll spell out each
individual waypoint and altitude. End result: more work for you, more
work for the controller, more radio bandwidth wasted, same clearance to
fly.

That's a bit of sillyness left over from long ago. Assuming anybody
even notices the comment, they'll just assign you the full STAR route,

one reason we would put "no sids or stars" is because of the high alt. they
required which would be a problem for oxygen (for example here in Utah the
jammn four arrival puts you up at 16,000), performance wise we couldn't do
it as well as regs for o2 for crew.

usually when we did this they would clear us direct to the points or (if I
can remember) they would say "stay clear of terrain" which is basically
vectoring you and you're responsible for what's below.. (it's been awhile)

basically it's a good thing to put in if you cannot fly at those altitudes.

Matthew

"Brad Salai" wrote in message ...
I'm still studying for the rating, so I've never done this, but can't you
just say "no SIDS, no STARS" in the remarks, and they can't give it to you.

I did that on a recent trip to KLUK Cincinnati and the clearance
included a STAR anyway. I think sometimes this is for lost commm
purposes: about half way en route they cleared me direct to LUK and
finished with vectors.

Paul Tomblin ) wrote:

I'm going to be flying from ROC to BAF weekend after next. Just plugging
the end points into Aeroplanner gives me a nice simple route V2 ALB V146,
but I see that BAF has a STAR, SWEDE ONE. It's a bit longer than the
simple route, and since I've never flown that direction I don't know if I
should file what I want and expect them to reroute me along SWEDE ONE, or
should I just admit the inevitable and file SWEDE ONE?
Snip

Having flown most of my filed IFR flights in the Northeast US, I have
discovered that the simplest method when filing to an unfamiliar airport
is to file whatever flight plan I want, sans STAR or DPs.

If ATC needs me to fly a STAR and/or a different route, they will
include it in the clearance. At that point, I note it in my growing
list of "real preferred IFR routes" notebook for next time, when my goal
is to receive a "Cleared to XXX as filed."

--
Peter