Vintage Jet Slams Into Homes Near Air Show

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:35:54 +0000, gatt wrote:

And, gawdam, it wasn't a "vintage jet." It was "retired from active
military service."

Why not "combat aircraft being operated by a civilian pilot for unknown
purposes"? Let's get some real Rovean fear going. Chicago needs an ADIZ,
after all.

- Andrew

("gatt" wrote)
Whatever. I'm an idiot. With a degree in journalism and a passion for
aviation. I couldn't possibly have a little perspective on this issue. I
must just be an idiot because I disagree with her.


At least you're not a "bloviating idiot."


Montblack :-)

No offense, but somebody once told me that journalists were those noble
warriors who came out on the field after the battle to bayonet the wounded.

Jim




Whatever. I'm an idiot. With a degree in journalism and a passion for
aviation. I couldn't possibly have a little perspective on this issue.
I must just be an idiot because I disagree with her.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
"gatt" wrote in message
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For perspective, somebody died in the Sandy River again yesterday. I
mentioned to my wife that this old man augured his jet and died doing
something he loved after living a long, successful life.


I seriously doubt he loved losing control, knowing he was going to crash
and that his life was about to end.

Which isn't what the above post said.

Matt

Just what does "augered his jet and died doing something he loved" mean? I
love to fly but if I die in a hole in the ground I can guarandamntee you I
will not have died doing something I loved to do, long life or otherwise.

"gatt" wrote in message
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Sorry, I killfiled you before I read the rest of your drivel. Idiot.

In other words, she can't handle an opposing opinion, couldn't think of a
way to argue like an adult, so she stuck her fingers in her ears and
resorted to name calling.

Yup. Pretty much.

She's been going off half-cocked at any hint of disagreement. Pretty soon,
she'll be talking to herself, 'cause she won't be reading anyone else's
posts.

On the bright side, I think her attitude can be attributed to youthful
arrogance. At least she might grow out of it. We've got people here just
as bad who are way beyond growing out of anything of the sort.

[...]
No skin off my back at all. I prefer to associate with mature adults.

And yet you put up with us.

Pete

"Emily" wrote in message
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Well, if you don't care how aviation is portrayed in the media, then be my
guest - be ok with it. I'm NOT ok with it.

That's what this temper tantrum is about? You feel that the use of the word
"slam" somehow portrays aviation in a poor light?

A jet friggin' DESTROYED a house. It caused major damage to at least a
couple of others. In what way is the word "slam" inappropriate in that
situation? If aviation is being portrayed in a poor light, it's because a
JET DESTROYED A HOUSE.

Duh.

"Don Tuite" wrote in message
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If we want to keep our airports from closing, we might reconsider
doing low-level aerobatics in clapped-out '50s-era warbirds when
encroaching subdivisions underlie the box.

This was not an aerobatic accident. The airplane was departing to return to
California. Could've happened anywhere, any time.

"Emily" wrote in message
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[...] Meanwhile, we've watched teenagers use the "DO NOT JUMP FROM
BRIDGE" sign as a handhold while they jumped from the bridge and smacked
their brains all over the rocks below. Oregon is at, what, 20
drowning deaths this year since June 1?

But they don't set fire to any houses when they go splat.

So we should all stop flying because we *might* injure someone else in the
process?

Who said that?

Gatt was providing "perspective" (his word). Don further enhanced the
perspective by pointing out the difference in the two situations. Both
points of view are valid contributions, and neither suggest that we should
all stop flying.

But Don's point is absolutely correct...if you want to compare aviation to
some other risky activity, it would make sense to at least acknowledge the
risk presented to others by aviation, as well as acknowledge the difference
in risk between the two compared situations. It's extremely rare that
innocent bystanders are hurt in aviation, but it does happen. More to the
point, on occasion large structures can be destroyed, as in this accident
(bridge-jumping is unlikely to cause major property damage, whatever else
the risks).

Of course, all that said, it's extremely rare that someone jumping off a
bridge hurts an innocent bystander, but that does happen too. So do
injuries to would-be rescuers when someone gets hurt jumping from a bridge
and someone else tries to help them.

Life is dangerous. Hiding from life doesn't make sense, but neither does
pretending the risks don't exist.

Pete

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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Just what does "augered his jet and died doing something he loved" mean?

We had this thread already. I think it was covered pretty well.

I love to fly but if I die in a hole in the ground I can guarandamntee
you I will not have died doing something I loved to do, long life or
otherwise.

In that moment before you die in a hole in the ground, will you find
yourself thinking "gee, I should never have taken up flying"?

"Peter Duniho" wrote
This was not an aerobatic accident. The airplane was departing to return
to
California. Could've happened anywhere, any time.

After viewing the takeoff, I can't help but think that it looks like he did
not have enough speed to fly, at rotation. Either he should have kept it on
the ground, or in ground effect, for a while. I wondered if he was running
out of runway, but I couldn't tell, viewing the replay. If he was out of
runway, he might should have aborted, perhaps because the engine was not
putting out? It could have been the good 'ole density altitude that got
him, with reduced engine performance, and less lift at the ground speed he
was accustomed to seeing. If it was the engine, from the looks of the
wreck, we will never know. It does appear as though the engine was about
the only thing that survived, in any sizable piece.

A shame, for him, his family and friends, and the whole aviation community.
May he Rest in Peace.
--
Jim in NC