Oshkosh Bound Posters, Approach Procedures, and Such

"Jack Allison" wrote

One hesitancy I'd have with S-turns is when on final. If things are too
close, that's the time to plan a go around. If you're S-turning, you
might be slowing down the guy behind you and creating more problems.
IMHO, if I'm too close to the guy ahead of me, I'd rather go around.
Just my 2 cents worth...

No argument from me, but an observation. The controllers are good at
getting the spacing, and it is usually at altitudes under 200 feet, when
things get messed up, by someone not exiting the runway when they are
supposed to, or someone not landing on the correct portion of the runway.

I've seen all kinds of things done, including s turns (if nobody is close
behind you, for you to mess up) and even 360's. Anything is fair game, if
the controllers tell you to do it, and if you feel capable. The go-arround
and saying unable if always a good way out.

Bottom line, everyone arriving at OSH needs to be on their game and able
to maintain altitude/heading/speed. If unable, land elsewhere. It's
really not hard, anyone who considers themselves current should be able
to do the arrival...but it's amazing to see how many folks interpret
1000 AGL and 90 kts differently.

Totally agree.

It is amazing to me that people with little experience, and not on their
game, think they should drop in at peak arrival times. Sometimes, it is
obvious that they have not read the notam.

I once saw someone in a taildragger RV take three times around to get it on
the ground, and even on that last time, it was forced in, and at one point,
I though for sure there was going to be a midair and a fireball.

Let's all make a wish for everyone getting there, and back home, with no
loss of life, this year. Be safe, everyone.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

No argument from me, but an observation. The controllers are good at
getting the spacing, and it is usually at altitudes under 200 feet, when
things get messed up, by someone not exiting the runway when they are
supposed to, or someone not landing on the correct portion of the runway.

Jim, what day and time in your opinion is the busiest arrival period for
Oshkosh?

www.LiveATC.net has an Oshkosh feed this year and I want to be sure to
catch all the audio action.


--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote

Jim, what day and time in your opinion is the busiest arrival period for
Oshkosh?

www.LiveATC.net has an Oshkosh feed this year and I want to be sure to
catch all the audio action.

Hmm, that is a good question.

I have never gotten there before Sunday before the week starts. It gets
pretty busy that afternoon, and I'll bet some people come in Saturday
afternoon and Sunday morning.

On Monday, there is a rush right after they open the field in the morning,
from people that have staged at nearby airports. It gets slow for a while,
then picks up about 11:00hrs, till around 14:00 hrs, when they are getting
ready to shut down the airspace for the airshow.

Same goes for the other days, but the volume is a little less, after that, I
think.

Around Wednesday and Thursday, right after the airshow, which is around
17:30, there is a rush as people start leaving, with departure lines
sometimes 45 minutes long (especially VFR departures) and a few are coming
in for the weekend on Friday evening and Saturday morning. Friday and
Saturday morning, there is a rush of people leaving from 07:00 till 11:00,
and also after the airshow, with sometimes big departure lines.

Depending on weather predicted to come in towards the end of the week, you
will see a bunch of people all getting the same idea, at the same time.
They have seen what they wanted to see, and don't plan to stay the whole
week, and would rather avoid the crowds. If _you_ would want to be getting
out ahead of a front, so would (and will) they. g

Oh, nobody has mentioned that when the field closes, at that tick of the
clock, (21:00hrs) nobody better touch their wheels down, because at that
minute, you will be violated. They will usually count it down, on the
frequency. Not one minute past!!!

You know, when it comes right down to it, it is almost always busy.
Sometimes it is REALLY busy!

What do you all think? That sound about right?
--
Jim in NC

("Peter R." wrote)
Jim, what day and time in your opinion is the busiest arrival period for
Oshkosh?

www.LiveATC.net has an Oshkosh feed this year and I want to be sure to
catch all the audio action.


So much depends on weather. This year I'll be arriving (by minivan) on
Satruday so I can catch the action, and get set up for the week. Then I'll
be free to sit and enjoy - on Sunday.

I didn't see OSH on the www.LiveATC.net site, yet.


Montblack

Montblack wrote:

be free to sit and enjoy - on Sunday.

I didn't see OSH on the www.LiveATC.net site, yet.

To see it listed, for now go to the class D feeds here and scroll to it:

http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php...class-d-center

To listen to it, go he

http://audio.liveatc.net:8012/kosh.m3u

I imagine that the feed will be placed front and center on the liveATC
homepage sometime over the next day or two.

--
Peter

Morgans wrote:
No argument from me, but an observation. The controllers are good at
getting the spacing, and it is usually at altitudes under 200 feet, when
things get messed up, by someone not exiting the runway when they are
supposed to, or someone not landing on the correct portion of the runway.

Yes, the controllers at OSH are excellent at what they do.

I've seen all kinds of things done, including s turns (if nobody is close
behind you, for you to mess up) and even 360's. Anything is fair game, if
the controllers tell you to do it, and if you feel capable. The go-arround
and saying unable if always a good way out.

Now that I think about it, I do remember hearing a controller tell
someone on final to do a few S-turns for spacing.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Arrow N2104T

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

Who has their "wheel boards" ready?

Montblack, are you selling any at the show?

In a previous article, john smith said:
Who has their "wheel boards" ready?

Oh damn, I forgot to check the line shed to see if they're still there.
And the tie downs. Since I'll be the first club plane to leave, I think
I've got a good chance of getting them.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Just another organic pain collector racing to oblivion

("john smith" wrote)
Who has their "wheel boards" ready?

Montblack, are you selling any at the show?


Yes ...and no. I made 10 sets of 3, or 15 sets of 2 g

3/4 inch plywood (16" x 12")

A flat 2x3 (cut 30°) is screwed, from underneath, to one end - as a chock.

I'll scrounge up some loose boards for backside chocking tonight.

10 of them have no chock board screwed on - just in case (?)

FREE. Keep em, or leave em behind. They were a scrap theater set.

They might (or might not) get primer'd today :-)

I did them up months ago ...then forgot they were in the garage. Thus, no
paint,
yet.

If 16" isn't enough, next year they'll get cut ...longer.

Contact me if you want a set. We'll get them to you.
7 sets (of 3) are not spoken for.

Give me your name and N-Number
Type of plane and color.
Your Cell number. I'll give you mine, etc.
Day to expect you.

Then your location on the field - when you arrive.


Montblack
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no 4's or Y's

In article ,
"Montblack" wrote:

Montblack, are you selling any at the show?

Yes ...and no. I made 10 sets of 3, or 15 sets of 2 g
FREE. Keep em, or leave em behind. They were a scrap theater set.
They might (or might not) get primer'd today :-)
Contact me if you want a set. We'll get them to you.
7 sets (of 3) are not spoken for.
Give me your name and N-Number
Type of plane and color.
Your Cell number. I'll give you mine, etc.
Day to expect you.
Then your location on the field - when you arrive.

Is this guy good, or what?
I certainly hope anyone who partakes of a set delivers just compensation!