Stupid Question

Plus if your logs show 5000 hours in your aircraft the feds can always
ask to look at the aircraft log books. If its in a rental aircraft the
FBO will certainly have logs of it. It would probably be easy to
overstate things by 10% but it wouldn't buy you enough to risk it.
Overstating more than that would start to get easier to check.

There is the famous story (or legend) of a guy shownig up for his
multi-ATP ride with lots of multiengine time. The examiner looks
through his log book and see the N number for the multi-engine plane is
that same as the plane parked on the ramp, which just happens to be
owned by the examiner!

-Robert


Dave Doe wrote:
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I'm surprised. I never knew how it all worked. That leaves the whole
'minimum number of hours required' thing a bit open to fudging doesn't it?
Crash Lander

Yes. I have a flight that I never logged - and probably never will. I
have my reasons.

However logging extra hours - well - while you're doing your training,
you'll be doing so presumably with the one organisation. So this is
easily cross-checked (as well as very foolhardy IMO). Indeed it will be
the only easy way to rebuild your logbook if you lose it.

--
Duncan

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Plus if your logs show 5000 hours in your aircraft the feds can always
ask to look at the aircraft log books. If its in a rental aircraft the
FBO will certainly have logs of it.

Not without one hell of a lot legwork. If I claim to have rented planes
all over the country the FAA will have a lot of work to do to prove I
didn't.

Newps wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Plus if your logs show 5000 hours in your aircraft the feds can always
ask to look at the aircraft log books. If its in a rental aircraft the
FBO will certainly have logs of it.

Not without one hell of a lot legwork. If I claim to have rented planes
all over the country the FAA will have a lot of work to do to prove I
didn't.

But if the FAA suspected you had inflated your log book you can bet
they would. In fact there have been several scandals in which the FAA
has done just that.
-Robert

Yea.........The one I remember most is where the FAA inspectors were handing
out type ratings to each other.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG


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Newps wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

Plus if your logs show 5000 hours in your aircraft the feds can always
ask to look at the aircraft log books. If its in a rental aircraft the
FBO will certainly have logs of it.

Not without one hell of a lot legwork. If I claim to have rented planes
all over the country the FAA will have a lot of work to do to prove I
didn't.

But if the FAA suspected you had inflated your log book you can bet
they would. In fact there have been several scandals in which the FAA
has done just that.
-Robert

The Korean war vet who did not convert his military flying
to a FAA commercial, but got a pad of temp certificates and
wrote himself a commercial and when it was time to become
captain, wrote himself an ATP. They finally caught him.



"karl gruber" wrote in message
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| Yea.........The one I remember most is where the FAA
inspectors were handing
| out type ratings to each other.
|
| Karl
| "Curator" N185KG
|
|
| "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
|
oups.com...
|
| Newps wrote:
| Robert M. Gary wrote:
|
| Plus if your logs show 5000 hours in your aircraft
the feds can always
| ask to look at the aircraft log books. If its in a
rental aircraft the
| FBO will certainly have logs of it.
|
| Not without one hell of a lot legwork. If I claim to
have rented planes
| all over the country the FAA will have a lot of work to
do to prove I
| didn't.
|
| But if the FAA suspected you had inflated your log book
you can bet
| they would. In fact there have been several scandals in
which the FAA
| has done just that.
| -Robert
|
|
|

If I claim to have rented planes all over the country the FAA will have a lot of work to do to prove I didn't.

Isn't it up to you to prove you did?

Jose
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Jose wrote:

If I claim to have rented planes all over the country the FAA will
have a lot of work to do to prove I didn't.


Isn't it up to you to prove you did?

I did, it's in the logbook. Somebody else is the one suggesting the
times are fake. They are responsible for proving me wrong.

Isn't it up to you to prove you did?

I did, it's in the logbook.

No, what's in the logbook is your statement, nothing more. It's a
claim, not proof.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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Isn't it up to you to prove you did?
I did, it's in the logbook.

No, what's in the logbook is your statement, nothing more. It's a claim,
not proof.

It is the legally required documentation, however. You are confusing
scientific proof (which requires complete, flawless documentation) with
legal proof (which requires only that one comply with the legal
requirements).

There's no way the FAA can expect a pilot to be able to provide independent
documentation of every single flight hour in their logbook.

Just as an example: I am now on my third Hobbs meter in my airplane. The
previous two have since been destroyed (thrown away). There is no paper
trail, other than my mechanic's say-so, that the meter was replaced at the
time claimed in the logbook. And other than the Hobbs meter, there is
absolutely no documentation of actual hours flown in my airplane (for that
matter, even if I had the original Hobbs meter, I could easily just activate
it and let it run without bothering to fly).

The closest thing that one might come to additional documentation is fuel
purchase records but a) I don't keep those records, b) I doubt the credit
card companies keep those records indefinitely, c) not all of my fuel
purchases were even made with a credit card, and d) even if the records were
available, they are impossible to translate directly and accurately into
flight hours.

There are plenty of other examples of "no paper trail" flight hours, and the
pilot's inability to provide that paper trail is NOT grounds for the FAA
taking action against the pilot. To make their case stick, they would have
to demonstrate positively that flight hours recorded in the logbook were not
flown.

Which they do. The thought that the FAA wouldn't do the legwork required to
examine each and every hour of a logbook of a pilot they suspected of
cheating is silly. That's the examiner's job, and if they have good reason
to believe they are logging fake hours, they're going to do that legwork.
If for no other reason than to prove themselves right.

Pete