Why GA is Dying

"Newps" wrote in message
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Private wrote:


The threats to our freedoms do NOT come from outside our borders.

At all? Really?

External forces may threaten many things, but we ourselves are the greatest
threat to our own freedom.

I think Ben Franklin's (attributed) words said it best "Those who would
give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve
neither Liberty nor Safety."

Some other thoughts on the matter,

John Adams
Be not intimidated... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of
your
liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency.
These, as
they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy,
chicanery and cowardice.

Justice Louis D. Brandeis
Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect
liberty
when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom
are
naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded
rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious
encroachment
by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

Samuel Adams
The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution,
are
worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them
against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance
from
our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and
danger
and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with
care
and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the
present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them
to be
wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out
of
them by the artifices of false and designing men.

Lyn Nofziger
One of the things that bothers me most is the growing belief in the
country that security is more important than freedom. It ain't.

Thomas Jefferson
Yes, we did produce a near-perfect republic. But will they keep it?
Or
will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom?
Material abundance without character is the path of destruction.

Vance Packard
The most common characteristic of all police states is intimidation
by
surveillance. Citizens know they are being watched and overheard.
Their
mail is being examined. Their homes can be invaded.

"Necessity" is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the
argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt, 1783

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where
the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act
only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human
history, the stage of rule by brute force. Ayn Ran

Edmund Burke
"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by
parts."

"Liberty has never come from the government.... The history of liberty is
the history of resistance...a history of the limitation of governmental
power, not the increase of it." --Woodrow Wilson

'Eternal Vigilance Is The Price of Liberty' used to mean we watched the
government - not the other way around.

"A conservative is a liberal that's been mugged.
A libertarian is a conservative that's been mugged by his government."

"There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people
by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by
violent
and sudden usurpation." James Madison

Private wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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Private wrote:


The threats to our freedoms do NOT come from outside our borders.

At all? Really?


External forces may threaten many things, but we ourselves are the greatest
threat to our own freedom.


There you go, backing off already. As you should have. I have much
more freedom today than 50 years ago.

Newps wrote:


Private wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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Private wrote:


The threats to our freedoms do NOT come from outside our borders.

At all? Really?


External forces may threaten many things, but we ourselves are the
greatest threat to our own freedom.


There you go, backing off already. As you should have. I have much
more freedom today than 50 years ago.

Well, I'm not 50 years old, but I have less freedom than I did 10 years
ago. Actually, I was a minor 10 years ago, so let's see I have less
freedom than I did five years ago.

Emily wrote:
Well, I'm not 50 years old, but I have less freedom than I did 10 years
ago. Actually, I was a minor 10 years ago, so let's see I have less
freedom than I did five years ago.

Give an example of a freedom you had 10 years ago that you do not have now.

Give an example of a freedom you had 10 years ago that you do not have now.

The freedom to fly myself into an airport near DC to visit a friend who
lives there. The freedom to carry a thin, large diameter steel disk
onto an airliner as hand luggage. The freedom to carry a swiss army
knife onto an airliner (and with it, the freedom to carry it routinely
without having to think "am I going to fly today?"). The freedom to
leave a book I'm shipping through the mail in my mailbox for pickup.
The freedom to borrow a book from the library and not have it tracked by
the government.

The freedom to say this and not be labeled a "tin hat".

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
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"Jose" wrote in message
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Give an example of a freedom you had 10 years ago that you do not have
now.

The freedom to fly myself into an airport near DC to visit a friend who
lives there. The freedom to carry a thin, large diameter steel disk onto
an airliner as hand luggage.

LOL!

Coming back into the US from England, via BC, the security folks confiscated
our red electric tape but let us keep our black electric tape (We were in
England filming Robot Wars, and the tape was among the miscellanea that got
shoved in the camera bag at the last minute.)

I demand my freedom to carry multi-colored friggin' electric tape!

-c

kontiki wrote in news:6Faxg.6297$Oh1.5537
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Emily wrote:
Well, I'm not 50 years old, but I have less freedom than I did 10 years
ago. Actually, I was a minor 10 years ago, so let's see I have less
freedom than I did five years ago.

Give an example of a freedom you had 10 years ago that you do not have now.

Can't smoke on a public beach.

Brian - who does not smoke except when thinking too hard
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kontiki wrote:
Emily wrote:
Well, I'm not 50 years old, but I have less freedom than I did 10
years ago. Actually, I was a minor 10 years ago, so let's see I have
less freedom than I did five years ago.

Give an example of a freedom you had 10 years ago that you do not have
now.

Hmmm, here's a few I think may qualify...

I was free to board a plane without being forced to take my shoes off. Or
pulled to one side to be searched - not for probable cause, but simply at
random.

I'm not on the "do not fly" list, but some people have been put on it and
have indeed had their freedom to travel by air denied.

I didn't always have to pay for meals on long flights - oh wait, that's a
"freebie," not a freedom. ;-)

In Oregon, I am no longer free to buy cold medicines containing
pseudoephedrine without a prescription (a law passed not because the
product per se was judged dangerous enough to require a doctor's order, but
as an attempt to starve the meth epidemic of a key raw ingredient).

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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In Oregon, I am no longer free to buy cold medicines containing
pseudoephedrine without a prescription

SERIOUSLY! GOOD EXAMPLE!

The indians called the Willamette Valley the "Valley of sickness" because of
the pollen, which because of the grass seed farms is among the worst and
most concentrated in the world. Along comes a medication with almost no
side-effects, no drowsiness...something you could actually take and then fly
a plane.

Now you need a prescription to take a perfectly useful
medication....remember when they pulled Primatene too? That means only
folks with enough money to get to a physician and then get a prescription
can afford it. Isn't a problem for me (I work right across the river, where
it's legal over the counter.)

Why? 'Cause it's used in meth. So friggin' WHAT?! Meth manufactures
have been known to use crap like linoleum. You should need a prescription
to install a kitchen floor! The druggies are just going to order the crap
over the internet from Singapore or Canada anyway.

-c
(Portland)

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:53:06 GMT, "gatt"
wrote:


"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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In Oregon, I am no longer free to buy cold medicines containing
pseudoephedrine without a prescription

SERIOUSLY! GOOD EXAMPLE!

The indians called the Willamette Valley the "Valley of sickness" because of
the pollen, which because of the grass seed farms is among the worst and
most concentrated in the world. Along comes a medication with almost no
side-effects, no drowsiness...something you could actually take and then fly
a plane.

I'm with you on the drugs, but I think there's an anachronism in the
indian/grass thing. Sort of like John Gray learning to make chainsaws
from the Calapooia. (Oh, right. He learned it from termites or
beavers or something. Maybe I should have said the Multnomah taught
Howard Vollum about oscilloscopes.)

I'm so allergic to grass pollen that the only thing that got me
through June and July, even way up in Aloha, were steroids.

Don