Why GA is Dying

"Jose" wrote in message
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Something doesn't become a security issue simply because a security
person says so.

In fact, this is the exact process used for determining what constitutes
a security issue.
:-)

Then we are no longer a free country, and should export our freedom to
other nations, since we are no longer using them.

Seriously, to allow the police to say what it is that consititutes a
police matter is =extremely= dangerous. We might as well let the TSA
decide whether little airplanes consititue a risk around big cities, and
politely accept their dictates there too.

This is correct, and it's also the reason why the people deciding what
constitutes a security issue are indeed civilian and not police. Police are
simply the tool that implements these decisions.

Dudley Henriques

This is correct, and it's also the reason why the people deciding what
constitutes a security issue are indeed civilian and not police. Police are
simply the tool that implements these decisions.

The people who decide what consititues a security issue should not =be=
security people, civilian or not. Security peopls should =advise= our
leaders, but should not make the decisions, since it is in their best
interests that everything be a security issue.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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This is correct, and it's also the reason why the people deciding what
constitutes a security issue are indeed civilian and not police. Police
are simply the tool that implements these decisions.

The people who decide what consititues a security issue should not =be=
security people, civilian or not. Security peopls should =advise= our
leaders, but should not make the decisions, since it is in their best
interests that everything be a security issue.


Perhaps I need to be a bit clearer on this for certain people.

When I say "civilian", I mean the following; which should be obvious to a
teacher :-)
These decisions ARE made by civilian leaders at the highest level of ELECTED
GOVERNMENT. These leaders consult with ALL the necessary specialists in the
field, both civilian and military when making these decisions, then the
decisions are made at the highest level, which is the elected civilian
government.
Police....and indeed ALL those directed by this top leadership authority,
are then DIRECTED to IMPLEMENT the decisions that have been made.
Is this clear enough?
Dudley Henriques

Dudley,

These decisions ARE made by civilian leaders at the highest level of ELECTED
GOVERNMENT. These leaders consult with ALL the necessary specialists in the
field, both civilian and military when making these decisions, then the
decisions are made at the highest level, which is the elected civilian
government.


And you actually believe that your (or any) government works that way? Wow,
that's beyond naive, IMHO. It's also not at all born out in everyday
experience. Not even remotely.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dudley,

These decisions ARE made by civilian leaders at the highest level of
ELECTED
GOVERNMENT. These leaders consult with ALL the necessary specialists in
the
field, both civilian and military when making these decisions, then the
decisions are made at the highest level, which is the elected civilian
government.


And you actually believe that your (or any) government works that way?
Wow,
that's beyond naive, IMHO. It's also not at all born out in everyday
experience. Not even remotely.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I learned a long time ago on Usenet that people who think like you are
simply people who think like you, and nothing in the world anyone can say
will change this. I'm quite sure you would be totally unimpressed by the
fact that I deal with people directly involved in this area daily and am
quite familiar with how it works. As they say, "it ain't perfect", but its
nowhere near the unadulterated bull crap you are spewing on this newsgroup.
So if you don't mind, I'll let you have the answering post and not engage
you on this issue any further.
Best to you and so long.
Dudley Henriques

Dudley,

but its
nowhere near the unadulterated bull crap you are spewing on this newsgroup.


You show quite nicely that you have no facts to offer. You made my point.
Thanks.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Dudley,


but its
nowhere near the unadulterated bull crap you are spewing on this newsgroup.



You show quite nicely that you have no facts to offer. You made my point.
Thanks.


And you, in contrast, are just a fountain of facts. Not.

Matt

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Dudley,

These decisions ARE made by civilian leaders at the highest level of
ELECTED
GOVERNMENT. These leaders consult with ALL the necessary specialists in
the
field, both civilian and military when making these decisions, then the
decisions are made at the highest level, which is the elected civilian
government.


And you actually believe that your (or any) government works that way?
Wow,
that's beyond naive, IMHO. It's also not at all born out in everyday
experience. Not even remotely.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas,

Rather than sit there and just yell "WRONG!!!", could you please explain to
the group how it really does work?

Thank You,

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman wrote
Rather than sit there and just yell "WRONG!!!", could you please
explain to the group how it really does work?

Just ask Duke Cunningham of California and Thomas Jefferson of Louisiana
how it really works. They are just the two most recent who have been
caught doing business as usual.

Bob Moore

Jay,

We're discussing this statement:

"These decisions ARE made by civilian leaders at the highest level of
ELECTED GOVERNMENT. These leaders consult with ALL the necessary
specialists in the field, both civilian and military when making these
decisions, then the decisions are made at the highest level, which is
the elected civilian government."

Specifically, we're discussing the way the TSA determines that taking
photos at an airfield is a security risk. Dudley claimed the process
above would apply. Do you believe the President or someone at cabinet
level ("highest level of elected goverment") has consulted "ALL the
necessary specialists" and then the President or a cabinet level member
of the government ("the decisions are made at the highest level") had
anything to do with whether photography should be classified as a
security issue? (We still haven't determined that it is deemed so by
the TSA) To put it mildly, I have a hard time believing that. I would
hope the highest level of the elected government has more important
things to decide.

As an aside which also came up in the thread, look at the "security
measures" employed by the TSA and other authorities. Some are just
ineffective, others ridiculous, still others an insult to democracy. Do
you believe the real process of coming up with these is as perfect as
described in the statement above? I don't.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)