Oshkosh arrivals

On 30 Jul 2006 17:05:45 GMT, (Blanche Cohen)
wrote:

I just finished listening to the LiveATC that Montblack posted.
I don't think I've heard anything more foolish or stupid in an
alledgedly experienced pilot.

Painful to listen to.

Keep listening, eventually you'll find another winner.

Normally I go over IFR across the lake with my route being 3BS D- LDM
(NDB) D- LDN (VOR) D- OSH. I've always been cleared straight in to
OSH 27, or vectored to one of the other approaches even on half way
decent days, but none were clear bright sunshine and any one where I
was *should* have had a clearance, but I have met more than one out
there when the visibility wasn't much more than one and 1500.

One day headed over when the weather in Michigan was pure crap up to
between 6000 and 7000 and well below minimums for most airports
without an ILS I heard a King air out of one of the smaller airports
NE of Traverse City asking Minneapolis Center for a pop-up to OSH from
a controller busier than a one arm paper hanger with the itch. After
a number of calls it was evident he wasn't going away so the
controller pointedly told him to call FSS and file. A bit less than
10 minutes later he was back. Said he couldn't raise FSS. (Probably
didn't have a enroute chart with the FSS frequency on it) You could
hear the controller sigh. (I think they came out with the 150 mile
rule the next year)

You could tell where the west shore of Lake Michigan was located as
the clouds formed a wall that went up to about 10,000 from bases of
1000 to 1500. OTOH is was solid up to about 6000 over the lake. I
don't know what the bases were out there. It was solid and I never
saw even a thinning let alone any holes for vfr to let down.
Visibility was poor. At times the wing tips were hazy. Underneath
was strictly low level skudd running.

Then this year there was a twin headed for OSH with a reservation
which is now required. I don't know how long they've been required,
but I had one way back in 95 on my first flight over.. At any rate he
wanted to modify his flight plan, land at one of the big airports here
in Michigan, and then continue on to OSH. The exasperated controller
finally told him to go away. Either cancel the FP and go VFR of fly it
as filed. This guy is an ATP who is normally in the left seat in the
"big iron".
He may have read the NOTAM as he had the reservation, but he sure
didn't pay attention to the rest of it.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Peter Duniho" wrote

Now, it would surprise me if the "10 deaths per year", or even the "6
deaths
per year" claim is supported by historical data. But even so, with
fatalities running around 2000/year (a little less recently), given the
huge
amount of GA traffic at Oshkosh, I'm not even convinced that 6 or 10
deaths
per year is all that out of line with the overall GA population.

I started looking back at the past few years, and it looks like I jumped the
gun when I said about 6 deaths per year.

Some years it is only a couple, while some years it is that high.
--
Jim in NC