Using radio to contact persons on ground while flying?

That's also the frequency for my facility and we have sued (and won) where
engineering time, aircraft time, and technician time were trashed by some
yoyo yakking to wingman charlie about the restaurant they were headed to.

123.4 and 123.45 are assigned to aviation manufacturers strictly for testing
aircraft and aircraft components.

Jim



"Allen" wrote in message
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That is the assigned freq for my facility so don't be using it around
here! We already listen to nonstop crap on it all day from the airliners
flying over.

RST Engineering wrote:
That's also the frequency for my facility and we have sued (and won) where
engineering time, aircraft time, and technician time were trashed by some
yoyo yakking to wingman charlie about the restaurant they were headed to.

123.4 and 123.45 are assigned to aviation manufacturers strictly for testing
aircraft and aircraft components.


I've taken up the cause to get the FAA to remove the erroneous
inclusion of 122.85 as an air-to-air frequency in the AIM. As you
pointed out to me several years ago, it is not and hasn't ever been a
legal air-to-air freq. except in special locations like the Grand
Canyon.

I got going on this when a firefighting outfit was using 122.85
(licensed and legal, air-to ground) to conduct forest fire Ops last
year. They were pleading on the frequency for everyone to shut up so
they could talk to their tankers and lead planes. Most pilots ignored
them and some even told the ground station that 122.85 was fair game,
per the AIM.

I've spent the last 6 months corresponding with the guy in charge of
AIM corrections in D.C. At first he gave me a bunch of erroneous
reasons why 122.85 is a valid air-to-air freq., but I've been shooting
them down one by one with the help of the FCC regs and a guy over at
the FCC.

It might be a futile cause, since the error has spread into "common
knowledge", but after what I heard last year, I thought it would be
worth a shot.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

RST Engineering wrote:
That's also the frequency for my facility and we have sued (and won) where
engineering time, aircraft time, and technician time were trashed by some
yoyo yakking to wingman charlie about the restaurant they were headed to.

123.4 and 123.45 are assigned to aviation manufacturers strictly for testing
aircraft and aircraft components.


I'll admit, we use 123.45 and 123.42 as our "button 2" when doing
formation work. Never heard anyone else using it around here, though.
Where's your facility (so I don't accidentally step on you guys)?

Other Frequency Usage Designated by FCC Use
Frequency

Air-to-air communications & private airports (not open
to the public).
122.750
122.850

Air-to-air communications (general aviation
helicopters).
123.025

Aviation instruction, Glider, Hot Air Balloon (not to
be used for advisory service).
123.300
123.500




"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
| RST Engineering wrote:
| That's also the frequency for my facility and we have
sued (and won) where
| engineering time, aircraft time, and technician time
were trashed by some
| yoyo yakking to wingman charlie about the restaurant
they were headed to.
|
| 123.4 and 123.45 are assigned to aviation manufacturers
strictly for testing
| aircraft and aircraft components.
|
|
| I'll admit, we use 123.45 and 123.42 as our "button 2"
when doing
| formation work. Never heard anyone else using it around
here, though.
| Where's your facility (so I don't accidentally step on you
guys)?

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:vjexg.84077$ZW3.72622@dukeread04...
Other Frequency Usage Designated by FCC Use
Frequency

Air-to-air communications & private airports (not open
to the public).
122.750
122.850

Air-to-air communications (general aviation
helicopters).
123.025

Aviation instruction, Glider, Hot Air Balloon (not to
be used for advisory service).
123.300
123.500



Great... now they are going to be trashing my glider frequencies.. why'd you
have to go and tell them that. BT

Sorry, it is published in the AIM, don't we all know that by
heart?


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:qvexg.15007$6w.4393@fed1read11...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:vjexg.84077$ZW3.72622@dukeread04...
| Other Frequency Usage Designated by FCC Use
| Frequency
|
| Air-to-air communications & private airports (not
open
| to the public).
| 122.750
| 122.850
|
| Air-to-air communications (general aviation
| helicopters).
| 123.025
|
| Aviation instruction, Glider, Hot Air Balloon (not
to
| be used for advisory service).
| 123.300
| 123.500
|
|
|
| Great... now they are going to be trashing my glider
frequencies.. why'd you
| have to go and tell them that. BT
|
|

Jim Macklin wrote:
Sorry, it is published in the AIM, don't we all know that by
heart?


Jim,

If you'll see my post above, you'll see that although the AIM says
122.85 is valid for air-to-air, the FCC regs ( 47CFR87 ) say it's not.
The FCC regs are the ones which govern frequency usage, not the FAA.

Here's a snippet from an email I got from an FCC guy in DC that is
helping me out with this :

"Dear John: You are correct. Frequency 122.75 MHz is the only
designated air-to-air frequency and 122.85 MHz is designated for use in
the Grand Canyon area as well as 121.95 MHz and 127.05 MHz . You can
find that provision in 87.187 (bb) of the Rules.

You might point out to them that 87.323 is for Ground Stations;
communications from the ground to the air and it is primarily used
under this section on a secondary basis. The frequency 122.85 MHz is
primarily used and licensed to Aviation Multicom ground stations for
ground to air communications. (See 87.237 and 87.241) You can locate
our rules online at http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html "

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Boy, you just don't get it, do you? I don't give a damn if you are near my
facility or some facility across the country. You use 123.45 and 123.42 for
"formation work" and you are subject to $10,000 an OCCURANCE (that's each
time you push the button, sir) plus a year in the FEDERAL pokey.

Don't believe me? Talk to the pilot of the Coors Silver Bullet airshow
aircraft. I don't know what he plea bargained the fine down to, but it was
north of five figures according to my sources. He avoided federal time by
pleading first offense.

I don't give a damn if you don't hear anybody around you using it. Some
poor schmuck that has about ten hours of careful data down in the microvolt
range gets honked up because you come on the line talking to wingman Joe at
hundreds of microvolts is not going to be a happy camper.

Remember, range in miles is equal to the (square root of 2*h), where h is
the altitude in feet. At 2000 feet AGL, you sterilize about 65 miles in
radius, or about 12,500 square miles. You don't HAVE to hear anybody on the
frequency to be interference to a legitimate user.

Why don't you just use a legal frequency? And don't ask me to pick a legal
frequency for you. I'm telling you what the legalities are on these two.

Jim




"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...




I'll admit, we use 123.45 and 123.42 as our "button 2" when doing
formation work. Never heard anyone else using it around here, though.
Where's your facility (so I don't accidentally step on you guys)?