Oshkosh arrivals

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One other story told by Jay: apparantly they heard two pilots flying
together on the air-air frequency; one was trying to download the NOTAM
onto their PDA, and then trying to read it to the other pilot...?!?!

I'll bet I heard at least one pilot an hour that had obviously not read the
NOTAM. Some more slipped through following the leader that I had not
identified, I suspect. Shoot, as I was sitting near my computer last night,
it was nearly 10:00 PM, and I had not closed the live ATC link. I heard
someone trying to raise OSHKOSH tower, with no luck, of course. Someone
finally came (from the ground, on a handheld, I think) on and told them that
they were closed for the night. Is that clueless, or what?

Others had come in (earlier), announced, and were not where they were
supposed to be, and not following procedures, and the controller asked if
they had checked in earlier, according to the notam. No, they answered. He
fit them in, anyway. I would have told them to climb to above pattern
altitude, and to go to Ripon, land and figure it out. Buttheads!
--
Jim in NC

Shoot, as I was sitting near my computer last night,
it was nearly 10:00 PM, and I had not closed the live ATC link. I heard
someone trying to raise OSHKOSH tower, with no luck, of course. Someone
finally came (from the ground, on a handheld, I think) on and told them that
they were closed for the night. Is that clueless, or what?

I do believe the guy landed, too. We saw one guy swing overhead onto
Rwy 18, LOOOOOOONG after the field was closed for the day....

Others had come in (earlier), announced, and were not where they were
supposed to be, and not following procedures, and the controller asked if
they had checked in earlier, according to the notam. No, they answered. He
fit them in, anyway. I would have told them to climb to above pattern
altitude, and to go to Ripon, land and figure it out. Buttheads!

I agree -- and this would solve a LOT of problmes.

The day of the accident, guys that were ignoring instructions by coming
up the tracks from Ripon were being cleared to land -- while dozens of
guys (who were following the instructions) were holding endlessly
around Rush and Green lakes.

Those ignorant, inconsiderate pilots were completely ignoring the
controller's instructions to enter the hold and were really gumming up
the works -- but if the FISK controller had simply said "Blue and white
high wing, turn left NOW and enter the hold" (instead of clearing them
through to land), the problem would have been greatly alleviated.

As it was, the guys who were holding for two hours were very, VERY
aggravated to hear/watch as these "scoff-laws" were being cleared to
land. This lead to some aggressively stupid radio talk (I heard one
guy threaten to ram another plane if he didn't speed up!), and could
have lead to disaster.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The day of the accident, guys that were ignoring instructions by coming
up the tracks from Ripon were being cleared to land -- while dozens of
guys (who were following the instructions) were holding endlessly
around Rush and Green lakes.

One year we were just rolling out on 36 after doing the whole RIPON
thing when some clown showed up in a Bonanza calling the tower on
3 mile final, totally clueless about the whole RIPON thing (or the
general concept of class D airspace). I suspect the tower figured
it was less safety impact to just let them land than having them
turn around in face of all the other arrivals and cleared them to
land on runway 36L (which is the only runway 36 most times of year).
The bo pilot asked which one 36 was...there was a rather condescending
"It's the one with the big numbers and the dotted line down the
middle."

(Of course, I was standing on taxiway Papa when a plane landed there
one year as well).

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m...
:
: The day of the accident, guys that were ignoring instructions by coming
: up the tracks from Ripon were being cleared to land -- while dozens of
: guys (who were following the instructions) were holding endlessly
: around Rush and Green lakes.
:
: One year we were just rolling out on 36 after doing the whole RIPON
: thing when some clown showed up in a Bonanza calling the tower on
: 3 mile final, totally clueless about the whole RIPON thing (or the
: general concept of class D airspace). I suspect the tower figured
: it was less safety impact to just let them land than having them
: turn around in face of all the other arrivals and cleared them to
: land on runway 36L (which is the only runway 36 most times of year).
: The bo pilot asked which one 36 was...there was a rather condescending
: "It's the one with the big numbers and the dotted line down the
: middle."
:
: (Of course, I was standing on taxiway Papa when a plane landed there
: one year as well).


Folks on instrument flight plans come in that way when they are handed off from approach - don't know if that is the
case here...

Ron Natalie wrote:
(Of course, I was standing on taxiway Papa when a plane landed there
one year as well).

Ron,

That is a frighteningly common occurrence. We call those runways 18
Left, 18 Right, and 18 Wrong (Papa).

Cheers,
Garrett

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Ron Natalie wrote:
(Of course, I was standing on taxiway Papa when a plane landed there
one year as well).

Ron,

That is a frighteningly common occurrence. We call those runways 18
Left, 18 Right, and 18 Wrong (Papa).

Chuckle Yep, I've not been out there when one landed, but almost. He
sidestepped at the last moment, when ATC yelled at him. I was monitoring
tower in one ear.

I was on Papa when someone took off from it, one year! I stood there and
saw it and told someone else, "watch out, it looks like he is getting ready
to take off!" and sure enough, he did!
--
Jim in NC

On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:26:34 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:
Chuckle Yep, I've not been out there when one landed, but almost. He
sidestepped at the last moment, when ATC yelled at him. I was monitoring
tower in one ear.

On my first trip to OSH, they changed me at the last minute from
landing on 27 to landing on 18R... Apparently the winds had changed,
so they were switching to a different runway... There was a storm
system coming in and the flight from Ripon to Fisk to the field was
basically scud running with enough rain to make it interesting enough
in that you couldn't see the plane in front of you even though you
could tell from the radio calls by the controllers that you were very
close... I looked down, saw basically 3 equally inviting strips of
concrete / asphalt before me and remembered reading that during this
time, they changed it to 18L, 18R and a taxiway... I'm low, slow,
going in and out of rain and in fairly congested airspace, so I don't
have the time to grab the NOTAM and read through it... I don't really
want to be looking down in the cockpit instead of outside... I line up
on the rightmost strip of concrete / asphalt and survey the
situation... I figure that at worst, I'm lined up on the taxiway and
as long as there are no planes on it, it is not something that is
going to kill me... On the other hand, if it was in fact a runway and
I instead lined up on the middle strip of concrete / asphalt, there is
a definite chance of there being another plane and this would not be
good for my continued survival...There were no planes on any of the
strips of concrete / asphalt landing or taxiing, so I didn't have any
visual clues which were the runways and which was the taxiway... I
keep looking all the way down to the flare, at which time, the tower
informed me that I was lined upon on the taxiway, not the runway... No
yelling or anything, just a, "gray low wing, that's the taxiway"... A
bit of throttle and a quick side slip to the left and I continued my
landing on the middle strip of concrete / asphalt... I even got a
comment of "great save" from the tower...

Grumman-581 wrote:

A
bit of throttle and a quick side slip to the left and I continued my
landing on the middle strip of concrete / asphalt... I even got a
comment of "great save" from the tower...

Now that sounds a bit nerve-wracking (the entire approach in that weather).
Good story.

--
Peter