The SAA's latest accident investigation

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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It could as easily been a mid air collision with a hawk's
landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
most live a single season and breed once.

If your accuracy above is typical of your aviation related posts,
your credibility is sagging badly. Do you check things before you make broad
statements like that?

Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:

Species Common Age
Number Name Yrs-Mos

3930 Hairy Woodpecker 15-11
3940 Downy Woodpecker 11-11
3950 Red-cockaded Woodpecker 16-01
3960 Ladder-backed Woodpecker 4-06
4020 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker 6-09
4040 Williamson's Sapsucker 4-00
4050 Pileated Woodpecker 12-11
4060 Red-headed Woodpecker 9-11
4070 Acorn Woodpecker 9-06
4090 Red-bellied Woodpecker 12-01


You can find more at:
http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm

The mated pair of Mockingbirds nesting in my acacia are back for their
eighth year.

The Artic Tern has an average life span exceeding thirty years.

Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
birds, snakes, and even a few humans.

BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
but so has Superman.


No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
facts.


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"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message
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|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:yUZxg.84299$ZW3.61152@dukeread04...
| It could as easily been a mid air collision with a
hawk's
| landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
| most live a single season and breed once.
|
| If your accuracy above is typical of your
aviation related posts,
| your credibility is sagging badly. Do you check things
before you make broad
| statements like that?
|
| Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:
|
| Species Common Age
| Number Name Yrs-Mos
|
| 3930 Hairy Woodpecker 15-11
| 3940 Downy Woodpecker 11-11
| 3950 Red-cockaded Woodpecker 16-01
| 3960 Ladder-backed Woodpecker 4-06
| 4020 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker 6-09
| 4040 Williamson's Sapsucker 4-00
| 4050 Pileated Woodpecker 12-11
| 4060 Red-headed Woodpecker 9-11
| 4070 Acorn Woodpecker 9-06
| 4090 Red-bellied Woodpecker 12-01
|
|
| You can find more at:
| http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm
|
| The mated pair of Mockingbirds nesting in my acacia are
back for their
| eighth year.
|
| The Artic Tern has an average life span exceeding thirty
years.
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
birds, snakes, and even a few humans.

BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
but so has Superman.


No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
facts.


Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad evidently
doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".

Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.

"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message
news:Yu3yg.31940$aW2.25970@trnddc03...
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:yUZxg.84299$ZW3.61152@dukeread04...
| It could as easily been a mid air collision with a
hawk's
| landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
| most live a single season and breed once.
|
| If your accuracy above is typical of your
aviation related posts,
| your credibility is sagging badly. Do you check things
before you make broad
| statements like that?
|
| Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:
|
| Species Common Age
| Number Name Yrs-Mos
|
| 3930 Hairy Woodpecker 15-11
| 3940 Downy Woodpecker 11-11
| 3950 Red-cockaded Woodpecker 16-01
| 3960 Ladder-backed Woodpecker 4-06
| 4020 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker 6-09
| 4040 Williamson's Sapsucker 4-00
| 4050 Pileated Woodpecker 12-11
| 4060 Red-headed Woodpecker 9-11
| 4070 Acorn Woodpecker 9-06
| 4090 Red-bellied Woodpecker 12-01
|
|
| You can find more at:
| http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm
|
| The mated pair of Mockingbirds nesting in my acacia are
back for their
| eighth year.
|
| The Artic Tern has an average life span exceeding thirty
years.
|
|

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
birds, snakes, and even a few humans.

BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
but so has Superman.


No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
facts.


Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad evidently
doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".

Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.


Why would Casey need to take his foot out of his mouth for being right?
Most birds (or if you prefer... the "average" bird) certainly do not
live one year, breed, and then die. Averages for birds can be a bit
misleading, as a high percentage will die in their first months of
life. But most do quite well if they can make it through the 1st year
(and thus, breeding age). It appeared that Casey did not cherry pick
his species at all. I think he just took a group of "random" birds (in
this case, a group of woodpeckers) as an example data set. The data
wouldn't look much different if he looked at waterfowl, doves,
warblers, birds of prey, etc... If anyone needs to take their feet out
of their mouths, it is those who have been arguing with Casey - as he
is clearly the only one in the discussion so far with ANY knowledge of
birds. And btw, the woodpeckers on Casey's list would be no less
appetizing to a hungry Sharp-Shinned Hawk, Coopers Hawk, Peregrine
Falcon, Merlin, etc. than any other species of bird. I routinely see
the Peregrines here (I have 6 nesting pairs within 15 miles) enjoying a
tasty meal of red-headed woodpecker, Hairy Woodpecker, Flicker, etc...

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Matt Barrow wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
birds, snakes, and even a few humans.

BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
but so has Superman.


No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
facts.


Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad
evidently
doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".

Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.


Why would Casey need to take his foot out of his mouth for being right?
Most birds (or if you prefer... the "average" bird) certainly do not
live one year, breed, and then die. Averages for birds can be a bit
misleading, as a high percentage will die in their first months of
life.

And THAT is the gist of it. Everything else you blurb is pure schlock.

But most do quite well if they can make it through the 1st year
(and thus, breeding age).

Most species in the wild DO NOT live through their first year.

It appeared that Casey did not cherry pick
his species at all. I think he just took a group of "random" birds (in
this case, a group of woodpeckers) as an example data set. The data
wouldn't look much different if he looked at waterfowl, doves,
warblers, birds of prey, etc... If anyone needs to take their feet out
of their mouths, it is those who have been arguing with Casey - as he
is clearly the only one in the discussion so far with ANY knowledge of
birds. And btw, the woodpeckers on Casey's list would be no less
appetizing to a hungry Sharp-Shinned Hawk, Coopers Hawk, Peregrine
Falcon, Merlin, etc. than any other species of bird. I routinely see
the Peregrines here (I have 6 nesting pairs within 15 miles) enjoying a
tasty meal of red-headed woodpecker, Hairy Woodpecker, Flicker, etc...


Blather on; you still don't comprehend, do you?

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
birds, snakes, and even a few humans.

BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
but so has Superman.


No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
facts.


Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad evidently
doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".

Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.


Matt, before you demonstrate any more ignorance on the subject, I invite you
to visit;
http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm
....and list a few at the low end that I ignored whilst "cherrypicking." If
you look closely, you'll note that the group of avians I listed are in a
contiguous block. While you are there, look up Mr. Macklin's erroneous
implications about quail and pheasants. Feel free to toss in partridge,
grouse and turkey, if you'd like.

And I offer you http://www.sfbbo.org/longevity.htm if you don't like what
you see above. And by all means, feel free to toss in one of your own that
supports yours and Mr. Macklin's ignorance.

As for Macklin's remarks about how many birds die each year, that has
nothing to do with the subject of longevity.

Oh, some closing comments. Infant mortality is NEVER considered when
determining life expectancy or longevity -- in any speicies, including
yours. Also, thank you for the compliment "young lad." I acheived my 70th
birthday this past April. Finally, as a full-time professional writer and
photographer, I do well understand the meaning of most and average. For
example, half of the population of this news group is of lower intelligence
than its average.

Careful with that retort you're considering.... I registered in Mensa
International in 1954.

Casey Wilson N2310D @gmail.com wrote:

Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:

What about bird that are on a typical hawk's dinner menu, such as the
Morning Dove? I certainly don't have detailed knowledge of birds, but it
appears to me that you selected the least tastiest treats out there to
prove your point.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Casey Wilson N2310D @gmail.com wrote:

Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:

What about bird that are on a typical hawk's dinner menu, such as the
Morning Dove? I certainly don't have detailed knowledge of birds, but it
appears to me that you selected the least tastiest treats out there to
prove your point.


Presuming you meant the Mourning Dove, how about this list:
[note that numbers in the last column are years and months.]

3120 Band-tailed Pigeon 18-06
3140 White-crowned Pigeon 14-05
3151 Spotted Dove 7-08
3160 Mourning Dove 31-04
3180 White-tipped Dove 8-07
3190 White-winged Dove 21-09
3200 Common Ground-Dove 7-02
3210 Inca Dove 10-10


Hmmmm, 31yrs.... and the other popular game bird, the White-winged... but
it only has a typical life span of 21 years

Oh, by the way, bird's are not dinner fare for the "typical" hawk, more like
for the Sharp-Shinned and the Cooper's. You need to do your homework also,
Peter, before you go running off without engaging the brain.

Casey Wilson N2310D @gmail.com wrote:

Oh, by the way, bird's are not dinner fare for the "typical" hawk, more like
for the Sharp-Shinned and the Cooper's. You need to do your homework also,
Peter, before you go running off without engaging the brain.

And you, sir, need a sense of humor. My post was not meant to be taken as
seriously as you did, but I am appreciative of the additional information
you provided.



--
Peter