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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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For those not in on Texas law, a 30.06 sign is a sign that
conforms to the Texas law on such signs, as to wording and
size and location. 30.06 is the chapter in the law.

.30/06 is the rifle caliber.

Nope.

..30-'06

Matt Barrow wrote:

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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For those not in on Texas law, a 30.06 sign is a sign that
conforms to the Texas law on such signs, as to wording and
size and location. 30.06 is the chapter in the law.

.30/06 is the rifle caliber.


Nope.

.30-'06

Yep, caliber and year, not a fraction.

Matt

.30/06 is the rifle caliber.
Nope.
.30-'06
Yep, caliber and year, not a fraction.

Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty ought six"
referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30 inches?) refers to
the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?

Jose
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Jose wrote:
.30/06 is the rifle caliber.

Nope.
.30-'06

Yep, caliber and year, not a fraction.


Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty ought six"
referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30 inches?) refers to
the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?

The year, 1906.

In article ,
Newps wrote:

Jose wrote:
.30/06 is the rifle caliber.

Nope.
.30-'06

Yep, caliber and year, not a fraction.


Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty ought six"
referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30 inches?) refers to
the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?

The year, 1906.

Actually, the .30-06 was came out in 1903 -- hence, the 03-A3
Springfield. IIRC, it was adopted as a military standard round in 1906.

Wrong, the 1903 Springfield rifle was adopted in 1903 along
with the 1903 ball ammo, that used a 220 grain round nose
bullet. Ballistic advancements resulted in the spitzer
pointed bullet being adopted in 1906.

The 1903A3 was a WWII substitute standard rifle made with
several modifications to speed production, including a two
groove instead of a four groove rifled barrel. The sights
were changed to a stamped steel aperture sight mounted on
the read receiver bridge. The production of M1 Garand
rifles was slow at the start of the war in 1939 [Europe] and
training and the Marine Corps made do with WWI stock on hand
and several companies contracted to make both the 1903A3
Springfield and M1 Garand rifles.

During WWI the British had Remington manufacture their new
design Pattern 14 Enfield rifle in caliber .303 British
[although it was first intended to be a .27 caliber rifle,
but the war caused the design change to allow use of
existing ammunition being used by the SMLE, a rifle used
until after the Korean war by the British and the colonies.
When the USA entered WWI, the Army contracted to have
Remington alter the P14 to shoot the .30/06 and adopted it
as the M1917.

The M1917 was the best bolt action battle rifle ever
designed. The Springfield was a target rifle and the Garand
was the best combat rifle of the 20th Century based on its
use in combat. The M14 is just a modified Garand.


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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in
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news | In article ,
| Newps wrote:
|
| Jose wrote:
| .30/06 is the rifle caliber.
|
| Nope.
| .30-'06
|
| Yep, caliber and year, not a fraction.
|
|
| Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty
ought six"
| referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30
inches?) refers to
| the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?
|
| The year, 1906.
|
| Actually, the .30-06 was came out in 1903 -- hence, the
03-A3
| Springfield. IIRC, it was adopted as a military standard
round in 1906.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news
In article ,
Newps wrote:

Nope.
.30-'06

Yep, caliber and year, not a fraction.


Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty ought six"
referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30 inches?) refers
to
the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?

The year, 1906.

Actually, the .30-06 was came out in 1903 -- hence, the 03-A3
Springfield. IIRC, it was adopted as a military standard round in 1906.

Nope! The '03 was slightly different and when modified, was put in final
production as the '06.

From the 1903 Springfield Tribute Page:

"The round developed for the 1903 was a Mauser-style rimless cartridge that
fired a 220-grain cupro-nickel-jacketed roundnose .30 bullet at some 2,300
feet per second (fps). Following the adoption by the Germans of a 154-grain
spitzer bullet that had a muzzle velocity of 2,880 fps, U.S. Ordnance
officials began rethinking our 1903 round and came up with an improved
version with a 150-grain spitzer bullet and MV of 2,700. The new "Model
1906" (or .30-'06) case was .070 inch longer than its predecessor and more
than lived up to its promise as a military round. With various loadings it
became one of the world’s preeminent hunting rounds and a not too bad
targeteer. "

Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty ought six" referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30 inches?) refers to the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?

The year, 1906.

Interesting. Can you name any other bullets with this name format that
are as well known as the thirty ought six? What's so special about this
one?

Jose
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It was the official cartridge of the US military and tens of
thousands of surplus military rifles were sold and millions
of commercial rifles world-wide in the same caliber
[European call it the 7.62x63]

Military designations are often simple, to a supply officer
in procurement. Every nation had its own system and
commercial makers would alter names so they could be
copyrighted.

So the 7.62x51 NATO was released by Winchester as the .308
Winchester.
The Krag rifle which was adopted in the late 1890 period
used smokeless powder and the old black powder designation
system... .30-40-220 Krag 30 caliber, 40 grains of powder
and a 220 grain bullet. Just after the Civil War the Army
adopted the 1873 Springfield rifle in caliber .45-70-405
which was a 45 caliber bullet weighing 405 grain [almost a
full ounce of lead] and 70 grains of black powder.

The .38 Special uses a 35 caliber bullet and the 44 Special
and Magnum use a 43 caliber bullet. The need to have a
unique name is often more important than precise accuracy.
Some cartridges are named according to the bullet diameter
and some according to the bore diameter not counting the
depth of the rifling grooves. A .270 uses .277 bullets and
might be called 6.8 mm. The 5.56x45 is the 5.56 NATO or the
commercial .223 Remington and is chambered in the M16, Ruger
Mini-14 and a lot of other rifles and some handguns.

Of hand I can't think of any other cartridge that uses a
date, but there probably is more than one. You can look up
just about every cartridge in a book from Gun Digest
CARTRIDGES of the WORLD.


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The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Jose" wrote in message
. ..
| Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty
ought six" referring to a gun, and think I know one of them
(.30 inches?) refers to the gauge (width of the bullet).
What's the other?
|
| The year, 1906.
|
| Interesting. Can you name any other bullets with this
name format that
| are as well known as the thirty ought six? What's so
special about this
| one?
|
| Jose
| --
| The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the
music.
| for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:

Ok, what do the numbers mean? I've heard of a "thirty ought six"
referring to a gun, and think I know one of them (.30 inches?) refers
to the gauge (width of the bullet). What's the other?


The year, 1906.


Interesting. Can you name any other bullets with this name format that
are as well known as the thirty ought six? What's so special about this
one?

To be correct, it is a cartridge, not a bullet. No, I know of no others
this famous with this name convention. The main thing that is special
is that the government used it so widely for so long and it was a pretty
versatile round for hunting as well. Large enough for all but the
nastiest game on most continents, yet small enough to be shot
comfortably by almost anyone.


Matt