Finding Rentals

Greg Copeland wrote:

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They are expensive, which is why I didn't train there. Their prices
have come down a little. A year ago when I was looking for a flight
school, their prices worked out to be between $165 - 175/hr, including
the instructor. Needless to say, I easily found better.
Yeah, i think ADS is cheaper. Then again, I don't usually fly with an
instructor, so that saves money right there.

Not to mention, traffic at 52F can get really insane.
Where is 52F? Probably not close to me. I'm smacked between DAL and
DFW, so no airport is really close.

Ya, seems VFR towers can only separate traffic with clock facings
(north bound traffic at 2 'o clock). IFR towers can vector you around
it with specific headings and bearings. KAFW does have a scope but
they told me that can ONLY give clock headings and relative clock
bearings.
Oh, you're talking actual radar vs. reading off someone else's feed.
Did someone at the tower describe it as IFR vs. VFR? Really, it's two
completely different things. I usually fly IFR and while I'm IFR, can
talk to any ATC facility. Whether or not they can see me is a different
story.

Emily wrote:
Greg Copeland wrote:

snip

They are expensive, which is why I didn't train there. Their prices
have come down a little. A year ago when I was looking for a flight
school, their prices worked out to be between $165 - 175/hr, including
the instructor. Needless to say, I easily found better.
Yeah, i think ADS is cheaper. Then again, I don't usually fly with an
instructor, so that saves money right there.

Not to mention, traffic at 52F can get really insane.
Where is 52F? Probably not close to me. I'm smacked between DAL and
DFW, so no airport is really close.


52F is right across the highway from Texas Motor Speedway and spitting
distance from KAFW. In fact, 52F is right outside of KAFW's airspace
(the Speedway is within their airspace).

Ya, seems VFR towers can only separate traffic with clock facings
(north bound traffic at 2 'o clock). IFR towers can vector you around
it with specific headings and bearings. KAFW does have a scope but
they told me that can ONLY give clock headings and relative clock
bearings.
Oh, you're talking actual radar vs. reading off someone else's feed.
Did someone at the tower describe it as IFR vs. VFR? Really, it's two
completely different things. I usually fly IFR and while I'm IFR, can
talk to any ATC facility. Whether or not they can see me is a different
story.

Ya. I don't remember the question I asked which got that response, but
they said, "We're only a VFR tower." To which I said, "What does that
mean?" That's where they told me they can only give out clock face
headings and bearings for traffic seperation.


Greg

Emily wrote:
Greg Copeland wrote:

snip

They are expensive, which is why I didn't train there. Their prices
have come down a little. A year ago when I was looking for a flight
school, their prices worked out to be between $165 - 175/hr, including
the instructor. Needless to say, I easily found better.
Yeah, i think ADS is cheaper. Then again, I don't usually fly with an
instructor, so that saves money right there.

Not to mention, traffic at 52F can get really insane.
Where is 52F? Probably not close to me. I'm smacked between DAL and
DFW, so no airport is really close.

Ya, seems VFR towers can only separate traffic with clock facings
(north bound traffic at 2 'o clock). IFR towers can vector you around
it with specific headings and bearings. KAFW does have a scope but
they told me that can ONLY give clock headings and relative clock
bearings.
Oh, you're talking actual radar vs. reading off someone else's feed.
Did someone at the tower describe it as IFR vs. VFR? Really, it's two
completely different things. I usually fly IFR and while I'm IFR, can
talk to any ATC facility. Whether or not they can see me is a different
story.

To be clear...I do not believe that reflected the type of flight
services they provide (IFR, VFR). For all I know it was local tower
jargon.

Greg

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:31:20 -0700, Greg Copeland wrote:

To be clear...I do not believe that reflected the type of flight services
they provide (IFR, VFR). For all I know it was local tower jargon.

I've no proof, but I've always assumed that this label referred to the
level of service that could be provided in IFR conditions. For example,
CDW is (as far as I know) capable of handling a single IFR (or SVFR)
operation in its airspace at a time. The reason: it cannot provide
separation.

TEB, on the other hand, provides separation and so can handle concurrent
IFRers.

Yet both airports are in their own class D airspaces.

From an equipment perspective, TEB has its own RADAR while CDW has a BRITE
from EWR. More, the local geography is such that only about half the
pattern is visible on the BRITE (due to a hill's shadow).

I assume that the equipment difference is the cause of the difference
in services, but it's also possible that the difference in services is why
the equipment is different.

- Andrew