Oshkosh ATC - really picking up

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Saw a Mooney who was cleared for takeoff on 09 just sitting there. He then asked the controller if he was cleared for
takeoff...twice! There was a 337 on final. The controller finally got it through to the guy that, yes, you are cleared
for takeoff. The Mooney then started rolling, just about as the 337 was on short final. The 337 was told to go around,
and the controller told the Mooney to not rotate until told to do so. The Moony rolled on down, the 337 finally overtook
it, maybe 50' agl and just off the right side of the runway. The controller then said good job Mooney as he let them
rotate and get out. Amazing how cool and controlled the controller was - his voice did raise a bit during all this, but
he was smooth. The controllers are the glue...

...When they get back to their normal O'Hare or La Guardia jobs they probably feel bored... ;-)


Yea, I saw that one as well. I happened to look up when the controller
was telling him that he would call his rotation...(not a common
instruction!).

Gotta love OSH...

On 27 Jul 2006 19:25:13 -0700, wrote:


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Saw a Mooney who was cleared for takeoff on 09 just sitting there. He then asked the controller if he was cleared for
takeoff...twice! There was a 337 on final. The controller finally got it through to the guy that, yes, you are cleared
for takeoff. The Mooney then started rolling, just about as the 337 was on short final. The 337 was told to go around,
and the controller told the Mooney to not rotate until told to do so. The Moony rolled on down, the 337 finally overtook
it, maybe 50' agl and just off the right side of the runway. The controller then said good job Mooney as he let them
rotate and get out. Amazing how cool and controlled the controller was - his voice did raise a bit during all this, but
he was smooth. The controllers are the glue...

...When they get back to their normal O'Hare or La Guardia jobs they probably feel bored... ;-)


Yea, I saw that one as well. I happened to look up when the controller
was telling him that he would call his rotation...(not a common
instruction!).

That would be really interesting in the Deb. When it's ready to fly
it is going to fly. If you try to hold it on you'll end up riding on
the nose gear. Retrimming is not a viable option for two reasons. The
trim is very coarse. In level flight a bit over a 1/4" movement of the
trim wheel will either lift you out of the seat or give about 2Gs. The
second reason is that coarse trim wheel is under and forward of the
bottom edge of the panel. You have to instinctually know where it is
and you have to lean over a bit to reach it. Something I'd not want
to do while trying to hold it on the runway.

The only real alternative would be to back off on the power and hold
it just under rotation speed, then go full power when given the OK.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Gotta love OSH...
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

I also watched this year as a Cherokee landed in front of a Baron, the
twin pilot did a good job of slightly varying his takeoff roll and
maneuvering around the cherokee in front of him, taking off and going
on his way.
I'm not sure whose fault that was, either cherokee not putting it down
on the appropriate dot, or the twin not rolling when he should have, or
the controllers just not getting the spacing right,
but they asked us to get the cherokee N-number so someone could "talk
to him"...

Ryan Wubben
Flight Line Operations