Flying over the runway is illegal?

The sectional charts show 'populated' areas in yellow. If it is not yellow, then is it 'unpopulated'?

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...FR_Symbols.pdf



"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ...
: "Jim Macklin" wrote in message
: news:bAeyg.84402$ZW3.76333@dukeread04...
: Yes, I read your words and my opinion is that your FSDO is
: insane.
:
: Perhaps they are. I have no facts to suggest otherwise.
:
: However, be that as it may, they are interpreting the FARs, and the NTSB has
: found that where the FARs are vague, the FAA's interpretation is the one
: that is used, even if that interpretation is contrary to "common definition"
: (and frankly, the actual "common definition" of "sparsely" is even more
: vague than any official definition...can you tell me exactly how "widely
: spaced" the intervals between population need to be in order to qualify as
: "sparsely" under the common definition of "Occurring, growing, or settled at
: widely spaced intervals"?).
:

Actually, the yellow area is a representation of the way a
city looks at night, the pattern of the lights.

see http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/20071.html
and then browse to find useful info. For instance Greeley
Co. Kansas has 2 people per square mile.



".Blueskies." wrote in
message
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| The sectional charts show 'populated' areas in yellow. If
it is not yellow, then is it 'unpopulated'?
|
|
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...FR_Symbols.pdf
|
|
|
| "Peter Duniho" wrote in
message ...
| : "Jim Macklin"
wrote in message
| : news:bAeyg.84402$ZW3.76333@dukeread04...
| : Yes, I read your words and my opinion is that your
FSDO is
| : insane.
| :
| : Perhaps they are. I have no facts to suggest otherwise.
| :
| : However, be that as it may, they are interpreting the
FARs, and the NTSB has
| : found that where the FARs are vague, the FAA's
interpretation is the one
| : that is used, even if that interpretation is contrary to
"common definition"
| : (and frankly, the actual "common definition" of
"sparsely" is even more
| : vague than any official definition...can you tell me
exactly how "widely
| : spaced" the intervals between population need to be in
order to qualify as
| : "sparsely" under the common definition of "Occurring,
growing, or settled at
| : widely spaced intervals"?).
| :
|
|

According to the naco link below, these are populated areas. I know I always thought it was the outline of lights also,
but I cannot find that defined anywhere...

Those census facts are interesting - scary for my area, Kalamazoo, MI, but still interesting...



"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:3Fnyg.84443$ZW3.22903@dukeread04...
: Actually, the yellow area is a representation of the way a
: city looks at night, the pattern of the lights.
:
: see http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/20071.html
: and then browse to find useful info. For instance Greeley
: Co. Kansas has 2 people per square mile.
:
:
:
: ".Blueskies." wrote in
: message
: . com...
: | The sectional charts show 'populated' areas in yellow. If
: it is not yellow, then is it 'unpopulated'?
: |
: |
: http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...FR_Symbols.pdf
: |
: |
: |
: | "Peter Duniho" wrote in
: message ...
: | : "Jim Macklin"
: wrote in message
: | : news:bAeyg.84402$ZW3.76333@dukeread04...
: | : Yes, I read your words and my opinion is that your
: FSDO is
: | : insane.
: | :
: | : Perhaps they are. I have no facts to suggest otherwise.
: | :
: | : However, be that as it may, they are interpreting the
: FARs, and the NTSB has
: | : found that where the FARs are vague, the FAA's
: interpretation is the one
: | : that is used, even if that interpretation is contrary to
: "common definition"
: | : (and frankly, the actual "common definition" of
: "sparsely" is even more
: | : vague than any official definition...can you tell me
: exactly how "widely
: | : spaced" the intervals between population need to be in
: order to qualify as
: | : "sparsely" under the common definition of "Occurring,
: growing, or settled at
: | : widely spaced intervals"?).
: | :
: |
: |
:
:

The first thing you'll notice is the big yellow blot that is
Houston. Contrary to popular belief among pilots, the yellow
does NOT signify the boundaries of the city. After all, what
good would a city boundary do for a pilot in the air? The
yellow indicates the approximate light pattern at night of
populated area from the air, which is much more useful
information. If you're flying at night, these patterns may
be the only thing you can see from, say, 8,000 feet in the
air, so looking at a recognizable pattern may be a big help
in determining where you are.

This was just a page I found on the Internet. I know that
somewhere I have a government handbook, perhaps the USAF
Navigators handbook, that gave the answer.





".Blueskies." wrote in
message
y.net...
| According to the naco link below, these are populated
areas. I know I always thought it was the outline of lights
also,
| but I cannot find that defined anywhere...
|
| Those census facts are interesting - scary for my area,
Kalamazoo, MI, but still interesting...
|
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message news:3Fnyg.84443$ZW3.22903@dukeread04...
| : Actually, the yellow area is a representation of the way
a
| : city looks at night, the pattern of the lights.
| :
| : see
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/20071.html
| : and then browse to find useful info. For instance
Greeley
| : Co. Kansas has 2 people per square mile.
| :
| :
| :
| : ".Blueskies." wrote in
| : message
| : . com...
| : | The sectional charts show 'populated' areas in yellow.
If
| : it is not yellow, then is it 'unpopulated'?
| : |
| : |
| :
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco...FR_Symbols.pdf
| : |
| : |
| : |
| : | "Peter Duniho" wrote in
| : message ...
| : | : "Jim Macklin"
| : wrote in message
| : | : news:bAeyg.84402$ZW3.76333@dukeread04...
| : | : Yes, I read your words and my opinion is that your
| : FSDO is
| : | : insane.
| : | :
| : | : Perhaps they are. I have no facts to suggest
otherwise.
| : | :
| : | : However, be that as it may, they are interpreting
the
| : FARs, and the NTSB has
| : | : found that where the FARs are vague, the FAA's
| : interpretation is the one
| : | : that is used, even if that interpretation is
contrary to
| : "common definition"
| : | : (and frankly, the actual "common definition" of
| : "sparsely" is even more
| : | : vague than any official definition...can you tell me
| : exactly how "widely
| : | : spaced" the intervals between population need to be
in
| : order to qualify as
| : | : "sparsely" under the common definition of
"Occurring,
| : growing, or settled at
| : | : widely spaced intervals"?).
| : | :
| : |
| : |
| :
| :
|
|

".Blueskies." wrote in message
y.net...
According to the naco link below, these are populated areas. I know I
always thought it was the outline of lights also,
but I cannot find that defined anywhere...

They are not defined to be "well lit areas", but they aren't an official
depiction of "non-sparsely populated areas", and as a matter of mapping
expedience, I don't doubt that the area is based upon the general nighttime
view of a region.

The most important thing to be aware of is that the VFR charts are *not*
useful for determining where you are with respect to 91.119.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ...
: ".Blueskies." wrote in message
: y.net...
: According to the naco link below, these are populated areas. I know I
: always thought it was the outline of lights also,
: but I cannot find that defined anywhere...
:
: They are not defined to be "well lit areas", but they aren't an official
: depiction of "non-sparsely populated areas", and as a matter of mapping
: expedience, I don't doubt that the area is based upon the general nighttime
: view of a region.
:
: The most important thing to be aware of is that the VFR charts are *not*
: useful for determining where you are with respect to 91.119.
:
: Pete
:
:

Do you have any references for that? The only thing I have been able to find is the NACO defined 'populated area' for
the yellow areas....

http://avn.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=nac...ary/aero_guide
http://avn.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/aero_guide

....

".Blueskies." wrote in message
. com...
Do you have any references for that?

Any references for what?

The only thing I have been able to find is the NACO defined
'populated area' for the yellow areas....

That is correct.

Recently, Jim Macklin posted:

see http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/20071.html
and then browse to find useful info. For instance Greeley
Co. Kansas has 2 people per square mile.

Well, if the county is 1,000 square miles, and all 500 people reside in a
two block neighborhood, then some areas will be densely populated! ;-)

Neil

and the rest is not populated at all.



"Neil Gould" wrote in message
y.net...
| Recently, Jim Macklin
posted:
|
| see
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/20071.html
| and then browse to find useful info. For instance
Greeley
| Co. Kansas has 2 people per square mile.
|
| Well, if the county is 1,000 square miles, and all 500
people reside in a
| two block neighborhood, then some areas will be densely
populated! ;-)
|
| Neil
|
|
|
|