23 July OSH accident audio

The reason for the closure.
Yeah, but why?

So pilots can evaluate their bag of alternate plans with an eye to which
would be more appropriate.

Jose
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Jose,

So pilots can evaluate their bag of alternate plans with an eye to which
would be more appropriate.


Ok, let's assume the controller knows there's an accident AND they have the
time and free mind capacity to say it on the frequency. Then what? For that
info to be useful, you'd have to know how long it's going to take to clear
up. I'd wager the controllers did not know that.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Ok, let's assume the controller knows there's an accident AND they have the
time and free mind capacity to say it on the frequency. Then what? For that
info to be useful, you'd have to know how long it's going to take to clear
up. I'd wager the controllers did not know that.

No, but now the pilots, knowing more than before, can make their own
evalutions.

Jose
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Jose,

No, but now the pilots, knowing more than before, can make their own
evalutions.


How? What changes in your evaluation from "hold there" to "hold there
because of an accident"?

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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How? What changes in your evaluation from "hold there" to "hold there
because of an accident"?


"Hold there because of an accident" provides an idea of how long the delay
will be, "hold there" does not.

Steven,

"Hold there because of an accident" provides an idea of how long the delay
will be


How long will it be? I seriously want to know.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

How long will it be? I seriously want to know.

Minimum for a collapsed gear, 30 minutes, fatal acciden t60 - 90 minutes,
would be close.
--
Jim in NC

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Steven,

"Hold there because of an accident" provides an idea of how long the
delay
will be


How long will it be? I seriously want to know.


One hour minimum.

How? What changes in your evaluation from "hold there" to "hold there
because of an accident"?

Each pilot will make their own determination. What changes in =my= view
is that after an accident, there would likely be cleanup and
investigation, and the runway may be closed for a long time. I would
probably choose to divert if a circuit or two doesn't clear it up.
Other reasons for holds are more ephemeral.

It is true, I could make the wrong decision, but it would be =my=
decision. I value that.

Jose
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Well said, and it has an added plus. The more pilots that take the
"accident announcement" to mean that the hold will be longer than they are
comfortable with, the more pilots that may leave the congested airspace and
resultantly open up more room and a larger safety factor for not only
themselves, but for those pilots who decide to stay in the hold.

It's a win for those who want to leave, it's a win for those who want to
stay, and it's a win for the controllers.

Jim


"Jose" wrote in message
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How? What changes in your evaluation from "hold there" to "hold there
because of an accident"?

Each pilot will make their own determination. What changes in =my= view
is that after an accident, there would likely be cleanup and
investigation, and the runway may be closed for a long time. I would
probably choose to divert if a circuit or two doesn't clear it up.
Other reasons for holds are more ephemeral.

It is true, I could make the wrong decision, but it would be =my=
decision. I value that.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.