23 July OSH accident audio

Neither. You proceed from Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about 500
yards east of the beach umbrella directly over the railroad tracks. Have
you ever flown the approach during the show?

Jim



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Would you care to bet a whole bunch of paper with old dead mens' pictures
on them that FISKE is not directly over the aforementioned beach
umbrella?


Do you proceed from Ripon to Fisk, or do you proceed from Ripon to beach
umbrella?

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Neither. You proceed from Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about
500 yards east of the beach umbrella directly over the railroad tracks.

Not according to the Fisk VFR arrival procedure as published in the 2006
AirVenture NOTAM. Do you advocate ignoring the published procedure by all
pilots, or just those with 5000+ flight hours?



Have you ever flown the approach during the show?


No. Have you ever flown the approach as published during the show?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Neither. You proceed from Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about
500 yards east of the beach umbrella directly over the railroad tracks.

Not according to the Fisk VFR arrival procedure as published in the 2006
AirVenture NOTAM. Do you advocate ignoring the published procedure by all
pilots, or just those with 5000+ flight hours?

That is precisely the Fisk VFR arrival procedure. Ripon up the railroad
tracks to Fisk. Or what we CALL Fisk. Fisk itself is a small town about
half a mile to the north-northwest of the railroad tracks. The controller's
tent or umbrella is on a small knoll in the middle of a grassy field about
halfway between the railroad tracks and the town of Fisk. You stay over the
railroad tracks at the prescribed altitude and airspeed until advised by the
controllers in the tent which of the approach procedures to execute.

Over the railroad tracks at Fisk Avenue puts you almost exactly 500 yards
abeam the tent/umbrella on the knoll to your port side.




Have you ever flown the approach during the show?


No. Have you ever flown the approach as published during the show?

Every time. As my ancient memory recalls, the arrival procedures had their
genesis in the great post-airshow gaggle of 1976 (of which I was an
unwilling participant), but the Fisk procedure as we know it today took a
couple of years after that to work out. I do not remember what the
procedure was from '77 until Fisk was instituted, but this is the first year
since 1973 that I haven't flown myself into Oshkosh for the Show ... in
strict compliance with the NOTAM as published.

Dave Yeoman (Marion, IA) sells cassette tapes of that '76 afternoon gaggle;
you may want to listen for the "red and white Cessna taildragger" in that
tape.

Somebody with a better memory than mine may wish to correct me on the year
of the Great Gaggle.

Jim

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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That is precisely the Fisk VFR arrival procedure. Ripon up the railroad
tracks to Fisk.


You're contradicting yourself. When I asked if you proceed from Ripon to
Fisk, or from Ripon to beach umbrella you said; "Neither. You proceed from
Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about 500 yards east of the beach
umbrella directly over the railroad tracks."



Or what we CALL Fisk. Fisk itself is a small town about half a mile to
the north-northwest of the railroad tracks.


Fisk is south of the railroad track.



The controller's tent or umbrella is on a small knoll in the middle of a
grassy field about halfway between the railroad tracks and the town of
Fisk. You stay over the railroad tracks at the prescribed altitude and
airspeed until advised by the controllers in the tent which of the
approach procedures to execute.

Over the railroad tracks at Fisk Avenue puts you almost exactly 500 yards
abeam the tent/umbrella on the knoll to your port side.


So what?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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You're contradicting yourself. When I asked if you proceed from Ripon to
Fisk, or from Ripon to beach umbrella you said; "Neither. You proceed
from Ripon up the railroad tracks to a point about 500 yards east of the
beach umbrella directly over the railroad tracks."

Not if you read it correctly. You do not proceed to either the beach
umbrella nor to the town of "Fisk" nor to FISKE, however you wish to define
it. You proceed up the railroad tracks to what we commonly call "Fisk",
which is 500 yards east of the beach umbrella and directly over the railroad
tracks. You do NOT deviate from the railroad tracks until given persimmon
to do so.






Or what we CALL Fisk. Fisk itself is a small town about half a mile to
the north-northwest of the railroad tracks.


Fisk is south of the railroad track.

You are correct. My memory was when we drove out to see it in February a
couple of years ago. The "business district" (both of them) is about a mile
north-northwest of Highway 44, not a mile north of the tracks. My bad.



The controller's tent or umbrella is on a small knoll in the middle of a
grassy field about halfway between the railroad tracks and the town of
Fisk. You stay over the railroad tracks at the prescribed altitude and
airspeed until advised by the controllers in the tent which of the
approach procedures to execute.

Over the railroad tracks at Fisk Avenue puts you almost exactly 500 yards
abeam the tent/umbrella on the knoll to your port side.


So what?

So what I said on my first pass at this.

Jim

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"RST Engineering" wrote:

You proceed up the railroad tracks to what we commonly call "Fisk",
which is 500 yards east of the beach umbrella and directly over the railroad
tracks.

Isn't that the same point as FISKE?

My calculations show FISKE to be about 200 yards north of the railroad
tracks at Fisk Avenue. Anybody that has a better plotter than mine is
welcome to correct me.

Jim



"john smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote:

You proceed up the railroad tracks to what we commonly call "Fisk",
which is 500 yards east of the beach umbrella and directly over the
railroad
tracks.

Isn't that the same point as FISKE?

john smith wrote:

Isn't that the same point as FISKE?


FYI, the coordinates of Fisk in the Notam are identical to those of the FISKE waypoint (as shown on
Airnav and also my GPS database). Maybe this is all a moot point!

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Dave Yeoman (Marion, IA) sells cassette tapes of that '76 afternoon
gaggle; you may want to listen for the "red and white Cessna taildragger"
in that tape.

Somebody with a better memory than mine may wish to correct me on the year
of the Great Gaggle.

Jim

You were in that line? Cool. I got to watch it from the ground - Aircraft
lined up as far as the eye could see - a real show!

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