23 July OSH accident audio

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Steven,


When aircraft are instructed to hold they're supposed to be issued a time
when they can proceed beyond the holding point. ATC obviously couldn't know
how long the airport would be closed, but they did know why it was closed
and issuing that information would have given pilots an idea how long the
delay would be.


So the pilots would have known what the controllers didn't? How?


Really professional controllers do these things not just
because they're required, but also because it's good procedure.


To imply that the OSH controllers are anything but professional is ridiculous.


How extensive is your ATC experience?

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

To imply that the OSH controllers are anything but professional is
ridiculous.

How extensive is your ATC experience?

Would you describe the ATC at Oskosh as "amateur," "hobbyist," "student,"
"volunteer", "ad hoc"...

-c

gatt wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...


To imply that the OSH controllers are anything but professional is
ridiculous.


How extensive is your ATC experience?


Would you describe the ATC at Oskosh as "amateur," "hobbyist," "student,"
"volunteer", "ad hoc"...

I'm not an ATC specialist so I'm not in as good a position to judge as
is Steven, since he is an ATC professional. It certainly sounds like
they were deficient during the incident under discussion. I likely
wouldn't describe them as you have above in general, but it sounds like
they had a temporary lapse in judgement.


Matt

gatt wrote:

Would you describe the ATC at Oskosh as "amateur," "hobbyist," "student,"
"volunteer", "ad hoc"...



The fact that someone earns a living at an activity means they're "a
professional". Even "a professional" can execute the activity in a more
professional or less professional manner.

I've seen this demonstrated nicely @ KDXR on a busy weekend. As I was
handed off from "the PROFESSIONALS" @ BDL approach to "the professional"
@ DXR tower, the difference was very clear. One individual was top
notch, fully on top of his game, and very "professional", while the
other should have been fired, as he let his Delta airspace degrade to a
very busy CTAF.

Any more hairs to split? G