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Steven,
"Hold there because of an accident" provides an idea of how long the delay will be How long will it be? I seriously want to know. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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How long will it be? I seriously want to know.
Minimum for a collapsed gear, 30 minutes, fatal acciden t60 - 90 minutes, would be close. -- Jim in NC |
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Morgans,
Minimum for a collapsed gear, 30 minutes, fatal acciden t60 - 90 minutes, would be close. So if a controller says "delay due to accident", you have a 300 percent error margin, with 30 minutes probably being sensible to wait out and 90 minutes being a little on the long side. I wouldn't know what to do with that information, but, well, that's just me. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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![]() "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... So if a controller says "delay due to accident", you have a 300 percent error margin, with 30 minutes probably being sensible to wait out and 90 minutes being a little on the long side. I wouldn't know what to do with that information, but, well, that's just me. So it appears. |
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:51:42 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote: So if a controller says "delay due to accident", you have a 300 percent error margin, with 30 minutes probably being sensible to wait out and 90 minutes being a little on the long side. I wouldn't know what to do with that information, but, well, that's just me. When I flew to OSH back in 2002, I had refueled at Kirksvill, MO (IRK) and as such, I had at least 2 hours of fuel, just in case there was any sort of delay... I can see how someone with less of a fuel reserve might start getting a bit testy with the prospect of an indeterminate delay... |
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Grumman-581,
. I can see how someone with less of a fuel reserve might start getting a bit testy with the prospect of an indeterminate delay... So, accident or not, they leave... -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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![]() "Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... Steven, "Hold there because of an accident" provides an idea of how long the delay will be How long will it be? I seriously want to know. One hour minimum. |
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And I choose to take that 1 to 3 hour wait back at Portage, where I can have
a couple of more morning brats, listen to 120.7 for the chatter to start back up, fill up the tanks, and relax. As for not announcing that the incident/accident was fatal, not a problem. Simply say "accident" and be done with it. Now we know it isn't airport overload. Oshkosh and "gottagetthere" don't belong in the same sentence. Jim "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... One hour minimum. |
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In article ,
"RST Engineering" wrote: As for not announcing that the incident/accident was fatal, not a problem. Simply say "accident" and be done with it. Now we know it isn't airport overload. How about this: on ATIS: "Oshkosh Airport is closed indefinitely. All aircraft are advised to land at other airports. A NOTAM stating the airport closure has been issued. When the airport is re-opened, the NOTAM will be cancelled. The RIPON Arrival Procedure will remain in effect following the reopening of the airport." FISKE Controllers: "Oshkosh Airport is closed. Any aircraft inbound on the RIPON Arrival Procedure are instructed to land at another airport until the Oshkosh Airport reopens. Any aircraft proceeding beyond FISKE will not be allowed to land at Oshkosh." OSH Tower: "The Oshkosh Airport is closed indefinitely. Any aircraft landing while the airport is closed will be subject to FAA enforcement actions. You are instructed to depart the Oshkosh Class D Airspace and remain clear. A NOTAM advising of the airport closure has been issued. It is recommended that all aircraft desiring to land Oshkosh divert to an outlying airport and monitor the NOTAM for cancellation and reopening of the Oshkosh Airport." |
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![]() "john smith" wrote in message ... In article , "RST Engineering" wrote: As for not announcing that the incident/accident was fatal, not a problem. Simply say "accident" and be done with it. Now we know it isn't airport overload. FISKE Controllers: "Oshkosh Airport is closed. Any aircraft inbound on the RIPON Arrival Procedure are instructed to land at another airport until the Oshkosh Airport reopens. Any aircraft proceeding beyond FISKE will not be allowed to land at Oshkosh." I disagree with this one. If you don't go to another airport, you are disobeying a direct order from ATC. I prefer to give the pilot the option of the Rush Lake hold, the Green Lake hold, or diversion at the pilot's option. All questions of the nature "how long will the hold be" are answered the same way, "the hold is indefinite ... there has been an accident at Oshkosh airport." THe procedure is Fisk, not FISKE. And I'd have Fisk ask the first ten or twenty aircraft in the ensuing open field lineup to say words on the aircraft's radio that the field is open. THat way those who have diverted and are listening on a handheld below the ATIS line of sight will have a clue that the airport has reopened. Line of sight (radio horizon) for an aircraft at 1000 AGL is about 45 miles. Jim Jim |
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