Scared of mid-airs

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:13:06 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Reread what Dudley said. "A pilot who flies without being constantly
aware that he/she is the main aspect of the mid-air avoidance equation
is misguided."

That won't change one bit with a futuristic automated system.

Right. That's why equipping GA aircraft with TCAS-equivalent systems
makes sense; it puts the tools to avoid 99% of MACS in the hands of
the GA pilot, not ATC nor the military.

How much money doesn't matter.

Sure it does. They have plenty of money. They should use some of it
for this.

So, how do "blips on a display" provided by TCAS differ from the
already existing blips on the radar display?

I don't know. Can you "see" GA aircraft on your display? Can you see
the ones that are in the MOAs? If so, then why are GA aircraft in the
MOA a problem?

Are you intentionally dense or is it an accident of birth?

It was an accident of birth. I'm on Usenet right now filling myself
with fluff, so I shouldn't be dense for long.

Jose
--
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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:46:38 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:13:06 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
::

Reread what Dudley said. "A pilot who flies without being constantly
aware that he/she is the main aspect of the mid-air avoidance equation
is misguided."

That won't change one bit with a futuristic automated system.

Right. That's why equipping GA aircraft with TCAS-equivalent systems
makes sense; it puts the tools to avoid 99% of MACS in the hands of
the GA pilot, not ATC nor the military.

You are still missing the point. It is "wetware" not "hardware" this
is the critical component. TCAS is a nice gadget, but it isn't a
panacea. Looking out the window and recognizing, whether you are GA,
commercial or military, that there is always the possibility of mishap
is the essential element.

You can't have a mechanical, fool-proof solution.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

That won't change one bit with a futuristic automated system.

Right. That's why equipping GA aircraft with TCAS-equivalent systems
makes sense; it puts the tools to avoid 99% of MACS in the hands of
the GA pilot, not ATC nor the military.

ADS-B would be way better than TCAS (not merely equivalent). TCAS
is not sufficiently accurate in azimuth to provide horizontal escape
guidance.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

In article ,
Ed Rasimus wrote:

TCAS would be impractical in terms of continual warnings
and (heaven forbid) uncommanded fly-up/fly-down commands.

TCAS does NOT control the aircraft - there are no connections
to the autopilot. All RAs are visual cues and aural cues. All
collison aviodance is performed by the flying pilot.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Ed Rasimus wrote:

[stuff snipped]

Nah, I'd rather just go out hunting for civilians to run into
willy-nilly. I'll smash a couple of Cessnas before lunch, then bail
out by the golf course before taking the rest of the day off.


Ed, you are showing your age - the days of willy-nilly are long gone.
Nowadays everything is done by the book (or T.O). If you do it the way
it's supposed to be done you can plan for downing two Cessnas in the
morning, punch out in time to get a nooner with one of the ladies from
your fighter pilot harem, get in 18 holes of golf, get yourself another
airplane for the afternoon, take in a low-level MTR or two and down two
or more GA aircraft (add three in the afternoon to your morning score
and you're an ace in one day), and punch out again just in time for
happy hour at the O club.

Ah, the life of a USAF aviator....;-)

John Hairell )

In article ,
Jose wrote:

Actually the "huge fraction" is at the lowest percentage of GDP that
it has been since WW II.

How much money does that actually turn out to be?

Since you're the one who asserted the "huge fraction" in the first
place, one would assume that you knew.

No?

Larry Dighera wrote:


Actually, there is quite a bit of Class G airspace in the US. It's
ceiling is just 700' or 1,200' AGL.


Excellent! Just right for low level nav training routes. ;


Jack

wrote:

So the training needs of the military have a higher priority than
anything else in the US airspace system?

Your interpretation, not mine. But to pursue that idea, the point of
having and training the military is in order to continue to have a
National Airspace System. Thus the priority.


So we should allow free range
by military aviation and IFR airline traffic
(that's big money) but the GA population should stay home and watch
"Wings" on TV?

Stay on topic, tpn18. Airliners don't fit in this particular discussion.


Jack

588 wrote:
wrote:

So the training needs of the military have a higher priority than
anything else in the US airspace system?

Your interpretation, not mine. But to pursue that idea, the point of
having and training the military is in order to continue to have a
National Airspace System. Thus the priority.


Read the law - specifically Title 49. Number one priority is safety
and the main concern after that is commerce. With your logic the
military could claim rights over every and anything due to national
security concerns overiding all other aspects, i.e. if you don't let us
take your airspace/property/anything else we want for training the
country will be open to attack and we will founder. The lawmakers were
wise enough in 1958 and again in later years to reject this line of
thinking.

Nobody denies that the military services require blocks of airspace for
training purposes.
That their needs always over-ride the needs of all other airspace users
is questionable.



So we should allow free range
by military aviation and IFR airline traffic
(that's big money) but the GA population should stay home and watch
"Wings" on TV?

Stay on topic, tpn18. Airliners don't fit in this particular discussion.

Any type of traffic fits in this discussion. My point is that we
shouldn't cede control of airspace to military and purely commercial
interests. By far the largest number of aircraft in the U.S. belong to
the general aviation fleet. Some people seem to forget that. The
system is for everybody.


John Hairell )