The Idiot without the NOTAM

"Marco Leon" wrote:
"Not every act of stupidity is punished."

The consequence of this very true statement is that the world will
always have guys like these running around. By trying to be "nice" the
controller became just another contributor to the problem.

I understand your point and agree, but was the controller just "trying
to be nice" or did he instantly size-up the situation and conclude that
the best thing he could do for everyone else in the sky would be to help
get him out of there as efficiently as possible?

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"Marco Leon" wrote:
"Not every act of stupidity is punished."

The consequence of this very true statement is that the world will
always have guys like these running around. By trying to be "nice" the
controller became just another contributor to the problem.

I understand your point and agree, but was the controller just "trying
to be nice" or did he instantly size-up the situation and conclude that
the best thing he could do for everyone else in the sky would be to help
get him out of there as efficiently as possible?

Well the controller started out with:

"Do you have the NOTAM?"
"No."
"Then I suggest you go back to the airport and get it."

He couldn't have been clearer. It was VFR. I would have snuck off quietly,
and returned later, maybe much later.

This link is now being passed around, worldwide. If he doesn't know about it
now, he soon will. If I can find a way to present it, I'll play it at our
next EAA chapter meeting. We all fear "Screwing the Pooch", and the training
value of this transcript is beyond words. How carefully will you plan a
flight in the future, knowing a major screwup could easily be replayed to
everyone you know and most you don't. This fellow could easily become the
poster child for "Head up and Locked". In the long run, his actions may
actually save lives.

There have to be other aircraft that end in 53A. I would not be surprised to
hear someone call "53A, downwind for landing, and I'm not "HIM""

I feel no need to attempt to characterize this fellow, as that would only be
speculation, but if I were him, I would seriously be looking at changing my
N number.

I too was waiting to hear "My dog ate my sectional".

I can just see the grocery clerk saying "Aren't you the guy that..."

There were probably dozens(maybe hundreds) of other pilots in line, holding
for hours at 90kts, constantly scanning for traffic, and properly staying
off the frequency until they are spoken to. I commend each and every one of
them.


Al G

Al wrote:


"Do you have the NOTAM?"
"No."
"Then I suggest you go back to the airport and get it."

He could have gone to ANY airport that I've ever seen and printed the
NOTAM from DUATS, etc... It's not like he would have had to go all the
way back to PA.

He probably departed without the correct procedures as well. G

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Al wrote:

"Do you have the NOTAM?"
"No."
"Then I suggest you go back to the airport and get it."

He could have gone to ANY airport that I've ever seen and printed the
NOTAM from DUATS, etc... It's not like he would have had to go all the
way back to PA.

Or he could've radioed FSS and asked them for the text of the NOTAM.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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Or he could've radioed FSS and asked them for the text of the NOTAM.


Maybe. FSS radio traffic tends to be a bit higher during AirVenture.

Or he could've radioed FSS and asked them for the text of the NOTAM.

Maybe. FSS radio traffic tends to be a bit higher during AirVenture.

My experiences with FSS is that they are often (a) hard to contact, (b)
hard to hear, and (c) pressed for time. I can't imagine -- nor would
I want -- them reading a multi-page, single-spaced NOTAM to someone
over the radio, while other pilots are waiting for a weather update.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Or he could've radioed FSS and asked them for the text of the NOTAM.

Maybe. FSS radio traffic tends to be a bit higher during AirVenture.

My experiences with FSS is that they are often (a) hard to contact, (b)
hard to hear, and (c) pressed for time. I can't imagine -- nor would
I want -- them reading a multi-page, single-spaced NOTAM to someone
over the radio, while other pilots are waiting for a weather update.

I agree it's far from ideal. But it's a lot better than having a busy
controller do it.

--Gary

From the clip, it doesn't sound like a lot of other planes were holding or
inbound. The controller didn't interact with a single other plane during the
4 or 5 minute clip. Unless the clip was clipped, talking the guy in was a
courteous thing to do. If there had been others holding or already inbound,
then talking him through it would have been more difficult and more
dangerous.

By the way, I haven't seen anyone else refer to the fact that not only did
he not have the NOTAMs, it didn't seem as if he had even read them
thoroughly - much less study them. He also didn't have sectionals. All he
had was enroute charts. I don't buy his line that he left them at the
airport. Sounds like a guy used to IFR flight plans for every flight and
just decided to drop in on OSH.

--
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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

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"Marco Leon" wrote:
"Not every act of stupidity is punished."

The consequence of this very true statement is that the world will
always have guys like these running around. By trying to be "nice" the
controller became just another contributor to the problem.

I understand your point and agree, but was the controller just "trying
to be nice" or did he instantly size-up the situation and conclude that
the best thing he could do for everyone else in the sky would be to help
get him out of there as efficiently as possible?

Travis Marlatte wrote:

Unless the clip was clipped, talking the guy in was a
courteous thing to do. If there had been others holding or already inbound,
then talking him through it would have been more difficult and more
dangerous.

The clip was edited down to just the interaction between the pilot and
controller. On the raw feed, you would have heard moderate activity with
numerous other aircraft on the frequency during that period.


--
Peter