barrel roll in 172

You have to have "macros" to take porn?

Depends.

"Any acrobatic
maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per second
rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and
combinations.

"Any" means any. Some planes can't even stall.

Jose
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All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes.
maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the
A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks. Trust me, all
airplanes can stall.



"Jose" wrote in message
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| You have to have "macros" to take porn?
|
| Depends.
|
| "Any acrobatic
| maneuver" wasn't intended to mean 720 degree roll per
second
| rate or tail slides, or but just the basic 3 axis and
| combinations.
|
| "Any" means any. Some planes can't even stall.
|
| Jose
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All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes.
maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the
A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks.

I like the "maybe something happens" method of stalling a plane. I was
(of course) referring to airplanes that have not broken, and are being
flown deliberately into a maneuver. Not all airplanes are capable of
all maneuvers.

Jose
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"Not all airplanes are capable of completing all maneuvers."

Regards,

James A. (Jim) Carter

-----Original Message-----
From: Jose ]
Posted At: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 23:37
Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
Conversation: barrel roll in 172
Subject: barrel roll in 172

All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes.
maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe the
A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks.

I like the "maybe something happens" method of stalling a plane. I
was
(of course) referring to airplanes that have not broken, and are being
flown deliberately into a maneuver. Not all airplanes are capable of
all maneuvers.

Jose
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"Not all airplanes are capable of completing all maneuvers."

If it hasn't completed a maneuver, it hasn't done it.

Jose
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I competition or air combat, I'd agree. But if an airplane
can roll to 60 degree bank it can be held in the roll and it
will become inverted and then because of the inertia
continue back to upright. If you stop inverted you will
have problems because most engines will quit after a short
while, you might have some reduced aileron control and you
probably didn't hold forward elevator so you split S'd out
and roll control was returned. You just could not do a
competition grade hesitation roll.

If a Pitts S-2 starts a snap roll and the prop breaks off
the hub, does that mean a Pitts S-2 can't do a snap roll?
And if a Cessna 172 does a barrel roll, does that mean that
all Cessna 172 PILOTS are capable of doing barrel rolls?


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| "Not all airplanes are capable of completing all
maneuvers."
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| If it hasn't completed a maneuver, it hasn't done it.
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Jim Macklin wrote:

But if an airplane
can roll to 60 degree bank it can be held in the roll and it
will become inverted and then because of the inertia
continue back to upright.

Not necessarily, and certainly not because of the inertia.

If you stop inverted you will
have problems because most engines will quit after a short
while, you might have some reduced aileron control and you
probably didn't hold forward elevator so you split S'd out
and roll control was returned.

Or more likely, if done accidentally ("didn't hold forward elevator"),
the airplane broke because of overload.

You should cease to spread dangerous wisdom about things you don't
understand. (As well as cease to top post.)

Stefan
(Removed PED, because this isn't.)

But if an airplane
can roll to 60 degree bank it can be held in the roll and it
will become inverted and then because of the inertia
continue back to upright.

By the time that happens, the nose may well be pointing down. You'd
need to push, and you might not have enough elevator authority to keep
the nose on the horizon. I don't know; I never did it in a 172. I can
certainly imagine other planes that don't have enough authority to keep
it going.

If a Pitts S-2 starts a snap roll and the prop breaks off
the hub, does that mean a Pitts S-2 can't do a snap roll?

If it comes off every time, yes.


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Investigators find cause of fatal Utah plane crash
BY MOLLY MCMILLIN
The Wichita Eagle
The National Transportation Safety Board indicated in a
preliminary report Tuesday that the linkage on an
experimental twin-engine plane that killed two test pilots,
including Wichita State University graduate Nathan Forrest,
was installed incorrectly.

The Spectrum 33 crashed July 25 during takeoff from Spanish
Fork-Springville Airport at Spanish Fork, Utah. The NTSB
report said the plane's linkage -- which helps control the
plane -- was installed backward.

"It was connected in a manner that reversed the roll
control," the report said.

Witnesses indicated the airplane entered a right roll almost
immediately after takeoff and the right wingtip hit the
ground. The airplane -- which was made from advanced
composite materials -- was destroyed by the impact, but all
major components were accounted for in the wreckage, the
NTSB said.

Spectrum president Austin Blue told Aviation International
News that the company will continue with the program. First
flight of the next test plane, which will be designed to
ensure that the controls cannot be rigged incorrectly, will
occur sometime next year, Aviation International said.

Forrest, 25, was a former Olathe resident who graduated from
WSU in 2003. Also killed in the crash was 53-year old Glenn
Maben, Spectrum's director of flight operations.





Remember, always, control wheel left and say, as you look,
right one is down and the left one is up, pull backwards and
note not just that the stick moves, but that the elevator us
up. Then stick right, left one is down and the right one is
up then stick full forward and again verify the elevator
moved in the correct direction. If the pilot can't see the
control surfaces, have somebody on the outside to verify the
correct movement. Always do this, particularly after any
maintenance. It is not rare.



Some check lists say FREE and CORRECT.








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"Jose" wrote in message
. ..
| All airplanes can stall, even the stall proof airplanes.
| maybe the cargo shifts, maybe something happens, maybe
the
| A&P mis-rigs the elevator or the stop breaks.
|
| I like the "maybe something happens" method of stalling a
plane. I was
| (of course) referring to airplanes that have not broken,
and are being
| flown deliberately into a maneuver. Not all airplanes are
capable of
| all maneuvers.
|
| Jose
| --
| The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the
music.
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