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I think Bill Gates like top posting, why should I change to
satisfy you? Perhaps you don't know what you're talking about either? -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P "Stefan" wrote in message ... | Jim Macklin wrote: | | But if an airplane | can roll to 60 degree bank it can be held in the roll and it | will become inverted and then because of the inertia | continue back to upright. | | Not necessarily, and certainly not because of the inertia. | | If you stop inverted you will | have problems because most engines will quit after a short | while, you might have some reduced aileron control and you | probably didn't hold forward elevator so you split S'd out | and roll control was returned. | | Or more likely, if done accidentally ("didn't hold forward elevator"), | the airplane broke because of overload. | | You should cease to spread dangerous wisdom about things you don't | understand. (As well as cease to top post.) | | Stefan | (Removed PED, because this isn't.) |
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In article l4sAg.84945$ZW3.9567@dukeread04, p51mustang[threeX12]
@xxxhotmail.calm says... I think Bill Gates like top posting, why should I change to satisfy you? follow to hard very thread the makes It -- Duncan |
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Jim Macklin wrote:
I think Bill Gates like top posting, why should I change to satisfy you? A. Because it makes the thread hard to follow. Q. Why is top posting frowned upon? And what does Bill Gates have to do with that? |
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Anno v. Heimburg wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote: I think Bill Gates like top posting, why should I change to satisfy you? A. Because it makes the thread hard to follow. Q. Why is top posting frowned upon? And what does Bill Gates have to do with that? He's dyslexic. Matt |
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On 2006-08-05, Anno v. Heimburg wrote:
Jim Macklin wrote: I think Bill Gates like top posting, why should I change to satisfy you? A. Because it makes the thread hard to follow. Q. Why is top posting frowned upon? Also, interleaved quoting (AND trimming quotes) is called netiquette - the manners of Usenet. Transplanted to real life, "I think Bill Gates like top posting, why should I change to satisfy you?" could become: "I think the airlines like straight in approaches. Why should I enter the pattern on a 45 to downwind just to satisfy you?" "It's too much effort to wait three seconds to hold the door open for the person following. Why should I wait three seconds just to satisfy them?" "Why should I say please and thank you? Some _insert rich person here_ gets by quite OK being extremely rude, so why should I change to satisfy you?" "Why should I move over to the right lane? Why should I leave my comfortable rolling roadblock position just to satisfy you?" Additionally, top posting costs people money. Top posters usually don't trim their quoted material which can get quite long after a while. Those reading Usenet when they are passing time in the airport, using their cell phone, have to pay per kilobyte. -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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Additionally, top posting costs people money. Top posters usually don't
trim their quoted material which can get quite long after a while. Those reading Usenet when they are passing time in the airport, using their cell phone, have to pay per kilobyte. That's one place where I disagree - top posting saves money. Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Actually, top posting saves money for those who, after reading your comments, don't need to read what you were referring to (because they remember it), and therefore don't need to download it KB by KB. It's available however for those who need a reminder. For a bottom posted message, one must download (often repeatededly) a message one has already read (or at least parts of it) before getting to =any= new stuff; that is wasteful of costly KB. Sometimes top posting is good, sometimes bottom posting is good. Usually interleaving is best. But there are never any absolutes. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On 2006-08-08, Jose wrote:
That's one place where I disagree - top posting saves money. Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Actually, top posting saves money for those who, after reading your comments, don't need to read what you were referring to (because they remember it), and therefore don't need to download it KB by KB. News readers don't work like that unfortunately. When you select an article, the reader downloads the *whole* article, not just the bits of it you are reading. Therefore, a top post with an untrimmed set of quotes (usually, when top posters reply to top posters, you get an enormously long history of quoted material at the bottom). Unless the top poster trims the quoted material (which almost none of them do), you end up downloading their 5 line comment along with 300+ lines of quotes. The only occasion where someone reading Usenet would only download a bit of the article they are reading is if they are reading Usenet over an ssh connection to a remote server. However, the latency over GPRS is so bad, this is quite painful - so anyone reading Usenet using a mobile device will almost certainly use a news reader on their mobile device rather than an ssh connection to a remote system. -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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News readers don't work like that unfortunately. When you select an
article, the reader downloads the *whole* article, not just the bits of it you are reading. This is not true for all software that accesses Usenet. My palm VIIx (rest in peace) did it a K at a time. My cell phone does the same, but even slower. (it's a perfectly awful way to read Usenet, so I don't do it, but that's irrelevant). Therefore, a top post with an untrimmed set of quotes (usually, when top posters reply to top posters, you get an enormously long history of quoted material at the bottom) Then your objection is =not= to top posting, but to non-trimming. Non-trimming is more painful in a bottom posted article - at least with a top posted article, once I come to the end of the original material, I can move on. While your association of top posters with non-trimmers may be valid, it is irrelevant. I've seen many bottom posters who add five lines to a 300+ line quote (and far too many nested quoting that ends up being 300 lines repeated for the most part post after post - supposedly good netiquette taken to the extreme - feh!) Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:26:27 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote: On 2006-08-08, Jose wrote: That's one place where I disagree - top posting saves money. Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Actually, top posting saves money for those who, after reading your comments, don't need to read what you were referring to (because they remember it), and therefore don't need to download it KB by KB. News readers don't work like that unfortunately. When you select an article, the reader downloads the *whole* article, not just the bits of it you are reading. Therefore, a top post with an untrimmed set of quotes (usually, when top posters reply to top posters, you get an enormously long history of quoted material at the bottom). Unless the top poster trims the quoted material (which almost none of them do), you end up downloading their 5 line comment along with 300+ lines of quotes. The only occasion where someone reading Usenet would only download a bit of the article they are reading is if they are reading Usenet over an ssh connection to a remote server. However, the latency over GPRS is so bad, this is quite painful - so anyone reading Usenet using a mobile device will almost certainly use a news reader on their mobile device rather than an ssh connection to a remote system. Bottom posters do the same thing:-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Roger wrote:
Although there may be a correlation between top posters and post trimming, it is the post non-trimming that costs money (to others), not the top posting. Bottom posters do the same thing:-)) That is exactly what the Grand-Grand-Parent said. |
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