Scared of mid-airs

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.


Even those flights on VFR MTRs?


Yes.


Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?


Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?

If the weather is good VMC, they can fly by pilotage at low
altitude. If the weather is IMC, they fly an IFR rules, at
low altitude using instruments.

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=183



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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If the weather is good VMC, they can fly by pilotage at low
altitude. If the weather is IMC, they fly an IFR rules, at
low altitude using instruments.

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=183


Was that an attempt to answer my question?

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:27:47 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.


Even those flights on VFR MTRs?


Yes.


Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?


Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?

Of course.

How else would a pilot without an instrument rating file a flight
plan?

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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Of course.

How else would a pilot without an instrument rating file a flight
plan?


Yes, I know, I was trying to help Larry understand.

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:27:47 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Every flight, every day, by the military is on a flight plan.


Even those flights on VFR MTRs?


Yes.


Then why are there IFR MTRs and VFR MTRs?


Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?


Yes, but our resident fighter pilot asserts:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:34:22 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Regardless, the flight plan type for the military is IFR.

If that were true, it prompts my questioning the need for VFR MTRs.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?


Yes, but our resident fighter pilot asserts:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:34:22 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Regardless, the flight plan type for the military is IFR.

If that were true, it prompts my questioning the need for VFR MTRs.


But he wrote that in response to your question. So what prompted you to ask
it?

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:49:53 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?


Yes, but our resident fighter pilot asserts:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:34:22 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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Regardless, the flight plan type for the military is IFR.

If that were true, it prompts my questioning the need for VFR MTRs.


But he wrote that in response to your question. So what prompted you to ask
it?


It was largely rhetorical.

If Mr. Rasimus' assertion, that the flight plan type for the military
is IFR is correct, and MTRs are created for military use, why are
there VFR MTRs? Presumably the military won't be operating VFR on VFR
MTRs.

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:32:18 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:49:53 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Are there IFR and VFR flight plans?


Yes, but our resident fighter pilot asserts:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:34:22 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
:

Regardless, the flight plan type for the military is IFR.

If that were true, it prompts my questioning the need for VFR MTRs.


But he wrote that in response to your question. So what prompted you to ask
it?


It was largely rhetorical.

If Mr. Rasimus' assertion, that the flight plan type for the military
is IFR is correct, and MTRs are created for military use, why are
there VFR MTRs? Presumably the military won't be operating VFR on VFR
MTRs.

The military can and does operated on VFR routes, but they are still
on an IFR flight plan.

Why would you doubt my "assertion"? Do you have any military aviation
experience? Would I lie to you?


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:17:30 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote in
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If Mr. Rasimus' assertion, that the flight plan type for the military
is IFR is correct, and MTRs are created for military use, why are
there VFR MTRs? Presumably the military won't be operating VFR on VFR
MTRs.

The military can and does operated on VFR routes, but they are still
on an IFR flight plan.

Okay. That's reasonable, if non intuitive.

Why would you doubt my "assertion"?

Surely you must agree, that are all fellable, even you.

Do you have any military aviation experience?

I got caught at 500' over the approach end of George AFB in a glider
once in the '70s.* :-) I'm not proud of it, but we all make
mistakes. Some are more grievous than others. Unfortunately, my
choices were between landing among the Joshua Trees or on a runway.
Fortunately, the tower personnel were generous.

Would I lie to you?

Lacking any historic evidence that might support that notion, I am
comfortable giving you the benefit of the doubt initially extended to
all.

*
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...e=source&hl=en