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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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This is hilarious. Do you think that people who voted for Kerry had their
facts any more straight?

Yes. The Gallup poll shows that to be the case, at least with respect to
Bush's statements.

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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This is hilarious. Do you think that people who voted for Kerry had their
facts any more straight?


Yes. The Gallup poll shows that to be the case, at least with respect to
Bush's statements.



Have you been this deluded for a long time or is it something that
happened recently? Polls are statistics, not facts.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Have you been this deluded for a long time or is it something that
happened recently? Polls are statistics, not facts.

Polls are facts about statistics.

Are you claiming that the Gallup poll does NOT substantially describe the
working knowledge of people who supported Bush? If so, you're attempting to
contradict centuries of well-established statistical science.

Sounds to me like it's you that's deluded.

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Have you been this deluded for a long time or is it something that
happened recently? Polls are statistics, not facts.


Polls are facts about statistics.

I'd say just the opposite. Polls are statistics about facts.


Are you claiming that the Gallup poll does NOT substantially describe the
working knowledge of people who supported Bush? If so, you're attempting to
contradict centuries of well-established statistical science.

Yes, most of these polls have significant biases.


Sounds to me like it's you that's deluded.

You need a new hearing aid then.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Polls are facts about statistics.

I'd say just the opposite. Polls are statistics about facts.

Statistics are always about facts. Polls are the facts about the
statistics.

Yes, most of these polls have significant biases.

Such as?

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Polls are facts about statistics.

I'd say just the opposite. Polls are statistics about facts.


Statistics are always about facts. Polls are the facts about the
statistics.

No, a fact is an invariant. If you take a poll and then take another
poll, you'll get a different result. That isn't factual, sorry.


Yes, most of these polls have significant biases.


Such as?

Such as who they talk to, where they conduct the poll, what time they
poll (as mentioned earlier, the working Republicans may not vote until
after the welfare liberals are done), and many other factors.


Matt

No, a fact is an invariant. If you take a poll and then take another
poll, you'll get a different result. That isn't factual, sorry.

Actually a poll is a statement of fact: the people polled did in fact say
what the poll says. The problem arises with how you extend the poll to
represent the unpolled.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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No, a fact is an invariant.

Really?

So, a statement regarding the position of the sun during the day isn't a
fact? After all, it varies continuously throughout the day.

You have an odd definition of what's a "fact".

Yes, most of these polls have significant biases.


Such as?

Such as who they talk to, where they conduct the poll, what time they poll
(as mentioned earlier, the working Republicans may not vote until after
the welfare liberals are done), and many other factors.

Only an ignorant asshole would seriously claim that all Republicans work
while all Democrats are on welfare.

Oh, I'm starting to see what your problem is...

In any case, if you have a legitimate beef with the polls in question, state
them. So far, you've made no suggestions about why those polls are
significantly wrong, and as I've already pointed out, the chances of those
polls being correct are MUCH greater than the chances of them being
drastically incorrect.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:



Polls are facts about statistics.

A poll isn't a fact about anything except the people who participated.
It is an educated guess about some particular subject. The results may
or may not be factual.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Polls are facts about statistics.

A poll isn't a fact about anything except the people who participated.

The poll itself is a fact about the statistical sample taken. Which is
exactly what I said (though apparently not in a verbose enough way for some
of you).

If you feel you have some good reason to dispite the Gallup poll results,
I'm all ears. If all you can come up with is "well, there's a 0.000000001%
chance that the poll is incorrect", then while that may be perfectly true,
it's a pretty useless statement.

The FACT remains that there's a much larger chance that the poll correctly
describes the overall electorate than that it doesn't.

Pete