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"Jim Fisher" wrote
"Terry Bolands" wrote
"Jim Fisher" wrote

But they can't get married and they can't fly low wing
planes. That's just they way it is.

It's not "just the way it is". You can feel it is wrong if
you want, but it's not an innate truism that gay people can't
get married.

Ahh, but it is a truism if one accept the absolute fact that
"marraige" has been recognized for thousands of years as a
religous tenant. We aren't talking "unions" but marraige.

That doesn't make it a truism at all. There are plenty of
non-religious individuals who still believe in the institution of
marriage. Civil servants can perform marriages.

Governemental support of a marraige between a man and a woman
and, thus, protection of the familial unit is supported and
recognized beacause such support has historically contributed
to to overall, long-term survival of governing bodies.

Man+man and woman+woman does NOT a stable family make and does
a government absolutely no good.

You presenting this as a fact, but it is only an opinion.

This makes it a truism, Terry. You don't have to like it but
a rational person cannot deny it.

I disagree. This is a debatable issue, and debatable by fully
rational persons.

Beyond this, doesn't the practice of same-sex marriages in some
European countries prove that it isn't a truism?

I think the line between the religious and civil role is fairly
vague. I, personally, am in favor of same-sex marriage, but I
think I could be in favor a situation in which marriage is soley
a religious rite and civil unions are a, well, civil
distinction. Marriage would only have a religious significance
and civil unions would have legal/financial/etc significance.
Any given religion coud define marriage however they liked, but
any two people could get a civil union.

To say that "Denying sexually aberrant citizens 'marital'
status is akin to human rights abuses endured by black
Americans" is an affront to my, and your, intelligence.

Why call it sexually aberrant? I agree, that is an affront
to your intelligence.

"abeeeeeeerrrrrrrrant (br-nt, -br,-)
adj.
1.. Deviating from the proper or expected course.
2.. Deviating from what is normal; untrue to type.
Man+woman - Expected and even proper.
Man+man - Untrue to type

Gay+high wing: Expected and proper.
Straight+low wing: Expected and proper

Woman+Woman - I don't necessarily have a problem with this
(marriage or adoptive rights-wise) but it is still aberrant.

Until the gay population becomes a significant portion of the
population, gay behavior will be considered "abnormal" and
"aberrant." You don't have to like that fact but it is
axiomatic.

No, it is just different. Calling it aberrant puts the judgment
of 'improper' on it. Your opinions aren't axiomatic, Jim. Most
people in the US used to look on interracial marriage as
aberrant. Opinions have changed...not axiomatic.

tb

No, it is just different. Calling it aberrant puts the judgment
of 'improper' on it. Your opinions aren't axiomatic, Jim. Most
people in the US used to look on interracial marriage as
aberrant. Opinions have changed...not axiomatic.

Succinct and to the point! Most excellent reply!

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