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Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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No, a fact is an invariant.


Really?

So, a statement regarding the position of the sun during the day isn't a
fact? After all, it varies continuously throughout the day.

Yes, that is a fact because it includes the element of time. If you
take two polls at the same time in the same place you will get two
different answers.


You have an odd definition of what's a "fact".

Much better than yours though.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Yes, that is a fact because it includes the element of time. If you take
two polls at the same time in the same place you will get two different
answers.

Not if you poll the same people. If you're going to argue variant versus
invariant, you need to hold ALL relevant factors invariant when you're
talking about invariant.

You have an odd definition of what's a "fact".

Much better than yours though.

Huh? That's the best you could come up with?

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Yes, that is a fact because it includes the element of time. If you take
two polls at the same time in the same place you will get two different
answers.


Not if you poll the same people. If you're going to argue variant versus
invariant, you need to hold ALL relevant factors invariant when you're
talking about invariant.

Maybe, maybe not. People are notoriously fickle. And even if you get
the same responses twice, it only tells you one thing: what those people
said at that instant. It doesn't tell you that much about the broader
population because of the biases we discussed earlier. And thus exit
polls are a complete waste of time because nobody cares what some subset
of the voters think.


You have an odd definition of what's a "fact".

Much better than yours though.


Huh? That's the best you could come up with?



Beats "huh?"

Matt

In article ,
"Peter Duniho" wrote:

Yes, that is a fact because it includes the element of time. If you take
two polls at the same time in the same place you will get two different
answers.

Not if you poll the same people.

assuming that they will answer truthfully each time....

--
Bob Noel