Scared of mid-airs

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:32:20 -0600, Newps wrote:



Ed Rasimus wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:31:59 -0600, Newps wrote:


Ed Rasimus wrote:

Trust me, they departed their home station on an IFR flight plan.

No, they do not always do this.


Can you give me a basis for this assurance?


Yeah, they call me up VFR and we sequence them into the pattern. What's
so hard to understand?

Does "call me up VFR" and "departed their home station on an IFR
flight plan" indicate some sort of incompatibility? My statement
remains, that virtually ALL USAF flights in the US operate on an IFR
flight plan remains. They depart IFR, they either terminate the IFR
(always an option) or take an enroute delay for training, then when
they recover they resume IFR.

You have not indicated anything in conflict with what I stated.

Sorry, no.

Yep, your right. I can't tell the difference between IFR and VFR.

You talk about VFR at your location for a flight already airborne that
neither originated or recovered there. Do you understand that a flight
can be on an IFR flight plan and still operate for a period VFR?

Go to any military base and you'll find local operating
procedures that specify departures from the base and recoveries.

I don't work at a military base.

That isn't the point here, is it? You are challenging my statement
that virtually all USAF military flights originate on an IFR flight
plan. Where you work doesn't make much difference to that, except that
it might indicate your lack of exposure to the facts in the issue.

Those
procedures are designed with ATC coordination and proceed from fix to
fix along a specified route of flight. This routing allows for
unimpeded operation whether the current weather is IMC or VMC.
Anything else would be unworkable.

Sounds reasonable at busy places. Does not apply here.

Who cares what applies "here"?

Again, if you've got some direct experience in this area beyond
opinion gleaned from watching pop-up traffic at your station, I'm
willing to listen.

I've already posted my experience.

Which doesn't qualify you for more than an opinion.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

they either terminate the IFR
(always an option)

After they "terminate the IFR", are they no longer "on an IFR flight
plan"? You stated that they are always "on an IFR flight plan".

Certainly (and more to the point) they are no longer on an ATC clearance.


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