$640.00 to fill the tanks...

"Jay Honeck" wrote

Right. Of course, in the US, Jet-A (diesel) is just about the same
price, or even a bit higher, than avgas.

Which is, of course, as it should be, without government social
engineering. It's also why Thielert hasn't gained any traction here.

How do you come to that conclusion? Jet fuel is lower on the distillation
scale, and should be easier to distill from oil, and get a bit more per
barrel than Avgas. Add to that economy of scale, and it should be much less
expensive.
--
Jim in NC

Right. Of course, in the US, Jet-A (diesel) is just about the same
price, or even a bit higher, than avgas.

Which is, of course, as it should be, without government social
engineering. It's also why Thielert hasn't gained any traction here.

How do you come to that conclusion? Jet fuel is lower on the distillation
scale, and should be easier to distill from oil, and get a bit more per
barrel than Avgas. Add to that economy of scale, and it should be much less
expensive.

Agreed.

I was referring to the British penchant for taxing the crap out of
avgas (the fuel of hte rich) and leaving Jet-A (the fuel of the
proletariat) pretty much alone.

You're right, Jet-A in this country *should* be much cheaper than
avgas.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 16 Aug 2006 22:36:37 -0700, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:
I was referring to the British penchant for taxing the crap out of
avgas (the fuel of hte rich) and leaving Jet-A (the fuel of the
proletariat) pretty much alone.

You're right, Jet-A in this country *should* be much cheaper than
avgas.

At one of the airports that I refuel at (T00) when I'm not using
mogas, the current price on 100LL is $3.84 whereas Jet-A is $2.96...
The best price I see currently in Texas is $3.07 for 100LL and $2.39
for Jet-A at EBG... Hell, $2.39 is cheaper than I can buy diesel for
here in Texas... If I had a diesel pickup and lived over there, I
would probably be running Jet-A in it...

Jay Honeck wrote:
You're right, Jet-A in this country *should* be much cheaper than
avgas.

The "expert" on the cost of Jet A vs 100LL has spoken.

"Doug" wrote in message
ps.com...
Jay Honeck wrote:
You're right, Jet-A in this country *should* be much cheaper than
avgas.

The "expert" on the cost of Jet A vs 100LL has spoken.

Seeing no smiley, I've got to say "get a life." He has a right to an
opinion without a smart *ss crack like that.
--
Jim in NC

Always been curious what "get a life" is supposed to mean. (I think it
means, "think like ME").

Ok, I have MY "opinion". Since diesel has more BTU's per gallon that
gasoline, my "opinion" is diesel "should" cost MORE than gasoline!!

But the reality is , the MARKET and the LAWS OF CHEMISTRY AND PHYSICS,
and a bunch of other complicated factors, set the price and
availability of diesel, not my (or Jay's) precious "opionion".

Morgans wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message
ps.com...
Jay Honeck wrote:
You're right, Jet-A in this country *should* be much cheaper than
avgas.

The "expert" on the cost of Jet A vs 100LL has spoken.

Seeing no smiley, I've got to say "get a life." He has a right to an
opinion without a smart *ss crack like that.
--
Jim in NC

Ok, I have MY "opinion". Since diesel has more BTU's per gallon that
gasoline, my "opinion" is diesel "should" cost MORE than gasoline!!

Only if BTUs are the only important thing.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Jose" wrote in message
...
Ok, I have MY "opinion". Since diesel has more BTU's per gallon that
gasoline, my "opinion" is diesel "should" cost MORE than gasoline!!

Only if BTUs are the only important thing.

He obviously does not understand law of supply demand, or laws of chemistry
or physics, 'cause all three of those should have jet A costing less than
Avgas. The only thing that keeps prices high is the ability of the
producers to fix prices where they want, with no other choice being
available to the airlines or business aviation.
--
Jim in NC

But the reality is , the MARKET and the LAWS OF CHEMISTRY AND PHYSICS,
and a bunch of other complicated factors, set the price and
availability of diesel, not my (or Jay's) precious "opionion".

True. In a perfect world, given the lesser amount of refining
necessary, diesel (and Jet-A) should be cheaper to make, and therefore
cheaper to sell.

Strangely, diesel fuel in my neck of the woods is often MORE expensive
than regular gas. I would presume this is because they sell so much
less of it, but I honestly don't know the reason.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Strangely, diesel fuel in my neck of the woods is often MORE expensive
than regular gas. I would presume this is because they sell so much
less of it, but I honestly don't know the reason.

Jay, part of the reason is the additional filtration requirements.
In addition, the (airport) fuel trucks to service it are larger
and more expensive. The fuel hoses are larger.. it (generally)
takes longer (and more effort) to refuel Jet aircraft (Vs. piston
aircraft.) for overwing and of course single point equipment
is more expensive still. Much of the dispensing equipment
is capable of mixing in various additives during the fueling
process... the care and feeding of this post-mixing apparatus
is expensive.


There is also getting to be more and more demand for the stuff...
(for a number of reasons) and where demand is up so goes the price,
often erasing much advantage over gasolene.

For those that want to curse out the peoples of the middleast
because they are making $$$$$$$$ on producing and selling crude
oil I would say this: quit bitching and get busy producing the
stuff yourself and start making money like they are. If you don't
want to do that then shut up and start riding a bike.