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New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...



 
 
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Old August 17th 06, 05:11 AM posted to us.military.army,us.military.national-guard,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
John P. Mullen
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Default New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...

wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:

Grey Satterfield wrote:

:On 8/14/06 10:21 PM, in article , "John P. Mullen"
wrote:
: tomcervo wrote:
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Lawson English wrote:
: Yes, and most of those 'old-school Republicans' are known as
: Democrats. Real Republicans want a big tent.
:
: They also want a balanced budget, a strong military and intelligent
: diplomacy. The bunch in now are acting like looters--run up unpayable
: debts here and abroad, and then retire to a gated community, and let
: the rabble stew. Now they seem to be saying that they'll let the NEXT
: administration decide to leave Iraq--they really seem to think it's up
: to the US to decide that.
:
: It's looking like the First Afghan War all over again, especially at
: the top.
:
: No to mention getting the damn feds out of state's business and fiscal
: responsibility (not just a balanced budget, but intelligent use of funds).
:
: We used to say the Democrats like to tax and spend. These birds just
: want to spend and spend.
:
:John and I can agree on this at least. Federal spending has been
:hemorrhaging during the Bush administration. My primary complaint with
:George W. Bush has been his unwillingness or inability to control federal
:spending. This isn't the Republicanism I thought I knew. That's why I
:think Bush's presidency is a failure and, I believe, why his approval
:numbers are so low.

Yes, but he does have a war on. That tends to wreck any budget. Too
large a percentage of the budget is non-discretionary spending.




The budget deficit is three times the size of the war budget.

Even then most of the war budget is being spent in Iraq, where
he chose to go to war despite Iraqi compliance with the inspection
and disarmament program.


Most of the war expenditures are off budget.

There are also costs associated with the military and the war that are
not clearly identified in the budget.

In addition, a lot of the war cost is being borne by the states.

John Mullen
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Old August 17th 06, 03:12 PM posted to us.military.army,us.military.national-guard,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Fred J. McCall
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Default New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...

"John P. Mullen" wrote:

wrote:
:
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
:Yes, but he does have a war on. That tends to wreck any budget. Too
:large a percentage of the budget is non-discretionary spending.
:
: The budget deficit is three times the size of the war budget.
:
: Even then most of the war budget is being spent in Iraq, where
: he chose to go to war despite Iraqi compliance with the inspection
: and disarmament program.
:
:Most of the war expenditures are off budget.

Pardon? How's that work again?

:There are also costs associated with the military and the war that are
:not clearly identified in the budget.

For some definition of 'clearly identified'.

:In addition, a lot of the war cost is being borne by the states.

Enumerate them.

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Old August 17th 06, 03:48 PM posted to us.military.army,us.military.national-guard,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval
Vince
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Default New Yorker's Sy Hersh: Bush Admin Helped Plan Israeli Offensive...

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"John P. Mullen" wrote:

wrote:
:
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
:Yes, but he does have a war on. That tends to wreck any budget. Too
:large a percentage of the budget is non-discretionary spending.
:
: The budget deficit is three times the size of the war budget.
:
: Even then most of the war budget is being spent in Iraq, where
: he chose to go to war despite Iraqi compliance with the inspection
: and disarmament program.
:
:Most of the war expenditures are off budget.

Pardon? How's that work again?

:There are also costs associated with the military and the war that are
:not clearly identified in the budget.

For some definition of 'clearly identified'.

:In addition, a lot of the war cost is being borne by the states.

Enumerate them.


Actually there are several different kinds of costs.

true "off budget" costs are those which are externalized to the economy
in general. for example deficit spending increases the borrowing costs
for everyone, but the costs are "off budget"

Then there are "deferred costs" cost which don't show up in this years
budget e.g. costs of veterans benefits.

then there is the "using up" of military assets. Since the US is a
cash, not an accrual budget, you can "spend out of capital" without it
appearing on the budget.

Economists differ on how large these cost are for the Iraq war but they
are very large.

Vince



 




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