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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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Guns
He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a
bowhunter). Just because one doesn't support ownership of AK-47's and
public access to armor-piercing bullets doesn't make one an enemy to gun
ownership.

Bush does not support ownership of AK-47s, either. Allowing the so-called
"assault weapons" ban to expire had nothing to do with AK-47s or any other
real assault weapon.

In fact, his record as a senator reveals that he has
consistently supported appropriate gun ownership. I own two shotguns and
a
couple of rifles - don't hunt, but skeet and target shoot. Even still, I
just don't think the average citizen needs armor-piercing bullets or
AK-47's
(unless you live in remote parts of Alaska grin)/.

?, gay marriage

He stated he was against 'gay marriage'

What he actually said was that although he was against it, he would support
local actions to institute it or to create it substantively through civil
unions. Typical Kerry -- taking both sides of the position at once.

This is not just a religious issue, no matter how hard you try to paint it
that way. It has serious economic and social ramifications.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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It would have been interesting if the Gallup poll would have asked Kerry's
supporters whether Bush really had a secret plan to introduce the draft,
or
whether Bush lost those explosives, or whether Bush had a secret plan to
get
rid of Social Security, or whether Bush was behind a secret conspiracy to
create a flu vaccine shortage.

Absolutely, it would have been interesting. Some of your examples are
extreme, and I doubt significant numbers would have affirmed those examples.
But surely it would have turned up a similar lack of knowledge of the actual
facts.

The Gallup poll only addressed Republican myths. If it had asked about
Democratic myths it might perhaps have been considerably more balanced in
its result.

I guess that depends on what information you're interested. But none of
your alternative examples seem nearly as important as the question of
whether a sitting President lied about what he knew, in order to win
approval for a war that wound up miring us in a huge stinking pile of doo,
and then continued to lie about what he said straight through the election.

My main point was simply that the electorate in general believes what they
want to believe, regardless of what the actual truth is. This is true of
all people, regardless of party affiliation. My secondary, much less
important point (especially now that the election is over), might be that I
personally feel that lying to the public in order to justify a deadly war is
a much bigger transgression than has been witnessed in the Executive branch
since the Iran-Contra scandal.

Pete

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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What percentage of Kerry voters still believe that Bush has a secret plan
for the draft?

Welcome back CJ. You are just as unable to comprehend a point as ever.

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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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You need to get a clue.

Naw,,, you just require a specialist to speak with regarding your
paranoid
thoughts.


And what paranoid thoughts were those? I can't see anything in my
posts
that qualifies as paranoia. You choose to project some mistaken
beliefs
in
my reasons for owning firearms.

http://www.heretical.com/sexsci/bpsychol.html



WTF is this all about?
or as the canadans say, "aboot?"


Ummm...about psychology?

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"Rip" wrote in message
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Or as in a well regulated clock, meaning operating well and efficiently.

You left out accuracy which as the railroads found out was pretty
important.

And the navies of the world.

(see 'Longitude', by Dava Sobel, thestory of John Harrison, the man who
invented the chronograph)


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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Unlike the man whose words you mouth, Kerry didn't pull special favors
to
get into the National Guard to avoid the draft (he VOLUNTEERED for
duty),

Kerry, by his own admission, volunteered for the Navy RESERVE...SPECIFICALLY
to avoid duty in SEA.


Bush volunteered for duty, too, and was subject to being sent to SEA.

He also volunteered for rather hazardous duty...duty that was patently
hazardous even if he never left Texas, much less tha US. He also volunteered
for duty in VietNam, but was turned down.

In the same vien, Kerry was sent to the Swift Boats, not voluntarily, but
becasue he was a pain in ths ass "Sea Lawyer" (the Navy equivalent of a
civilian "****house lawyer") and his commander wated his off his ship.


Unlike
Kerry, he did not incite the enemy to abuse prisoners of war, commit war
crimes, or make false claims that everyone else in SEA was committing war
crimes.

And that says a lot, even aside from his overt acts of treason. That is why
there are still serious question that his first discharge was "less than
honorable". Of course, his massively hypocritical hiding his record (why?)
can only fuel the question.


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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P.S. You're right, we should all thank Mr. Bush for turning a
hard-earned
surplus budget (earned under Clinton's rule) into a 4.3 trillion dollar
DEFICIT.

That is really funny coming from a Democrat. Here we have Democrats
accusing
Bush of behaving too much like a Democrat. ROFL.

And using 2nd grade explanations of history.

Yeah, democrats are so SAVVY....for nine year olds.


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Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Greg Butler" wrote in message
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[...] most Bush voters, however, look at the data first, then make up
their minds.

Which Bush voters? The 64% that still believe that Saddam Hussein was
involved in the 9/11 attacks?

Indirectly, he was.

How many of the looney left still can't comprehend that we're engaged in a
war on TERRORIDM, not just on the participants of 9/11?

Christ, we couldn't trust the left to run a lemonade stand, much less some
serious business.


What percentage of Kerry voters still believe that Bush has a secret plan
for the draft? Oh, wait. I guess Gallup did not want to ask questions that
would make Democrats uncomfortable.

How many still buy the notion that the peace and prosperity of the 90's was
Bubba's doing?

(Think: Reagan doctrine, and Y2K run-up)

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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You need to get a clue.

Naw,,, you just require a specialist to speak with regarding your
paranoid
thoughts.


And what paranoid thoughts were those? I can't see anything in my
posts
that qualifies as paranoia. You choose to project some mistaken
beliefs
in
my reasons for owning firearms.

http://www.heretical.com/sexsci/bpsychol.html



WTF is this all about?
or as the canadans say, "aboot?"


Ummm...about psychology?

And why was it posted?

I asked for a reason why Cecil called me paranoid and you posted a book.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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Which Bush voters? The 64% that still believe that Saddam Hussein was
involved in the 9/11 attacks?

Indirectly, he was.

Indirectly, YOU are.

But we're not talking about "indirect involvement" here.

How many of the looney left still can't comprehend that we're engaged in a
war on TERRORIDM, not just on the participants of 9/11?

"TERRORIDM"? Uh, okay. If you say so. And yet, that still doesn't explain
what we're doing in Iraq, there having been no proven connection between
terrorism and Iraq.

Pete