Stupid Americans! -- Stupid... Stupid... STUPID!!! __________-+__ ihuvpe

Hello, Richard!
You wrote on Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:54:10 -0800:

RR A small addenda. Those decisions don't mean I'm compromising my
RR standards, either. French wine can be good, but I generally find
RR California wine better, and a lot less expensive. Austrailian wine is
RR certainly as good as French and getting better every year. With
RR dinner last night I had a wonderful Falerno from Italy. They've been
RR making it for 3000 years, they have it down.

RR A good American micro-brew is world class, and there's nothing from
RR Germany that can compare to a Black and Tan.

cant agree with you there. we have all the latest euro models here in south
africa and there's no problem with reliability!

I guess it has everything to do with assembly and not much with design!

Although we have few american cars here, i am positive that there is NO
american car that comes even close to german engineering!

With best regards, ahlbebuck. E-mail:

"ahlbebuck" wrote

Although we have few american cars here, i am positive that there is NO
american car that comes even close to german engineering!

With best regards, ahlbebuck. E-mail:


So you admit you have few American cars to compare them with, either in
reliability, or engineering superiority. Yet you still make the claim.
Sounds unsubstantiated to me.

I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to work on
than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after many miles and
years of use) I will not comment on the other American brands, because
unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not familiar with.

These ratings that were talked about in the previous post, are not pulled
out of the clear air. There is a reason for their inclusion in the list.
--
Jim in NC


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"Morgans" wrote in message
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"ahlbebuck" wrote

Although we have few american cars here, i am positive that there is NO
american car that comes even close to german engineering!

With best regards, ahlbebuck. E-mail:


So you admit you have few American cars to compare them with, either in
reliability, or engineering superiority. Yet you still make the claim.
Sounds unsubstantiated to me.

I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to work
on
than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after many miles
and
years of use) I will not comment on the other American brands, because
unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not familiar with.

These ratings that were talked about in the previous post, are not pulled
out of the clear air. There is a reason for their inclusion in the list.
--
Jim in NC


Changing to OT. I can't imagine what any of this has to do with
rec.aviation balloon .Tex

"Tex Houston" wrote in message

Changing to OT. I can't imagine what any of this has to do with
rec.aviation balloon .Tex

This whole thread, a long one at that, has been OT. Why some seem intent in
cross posting to a dozen groups, is beyond me. Sometimes I catch it,
sometimes I don't.

Suck it up. Filter if you must, or ignore it. Life is too short to spend
it bitchin'. It took a while for me to "get it", but now I manage.
--
Jim in NC


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Hello, Morgans!
You wrote on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:02:39 -0500:

?? Although we have few american cars here, i am positive that there is
?? NO american car that comes even close to german engineering! With best
?? regards, ahlbebuck. E-mail:
M So you admit you have few American cars to compare them with, either in
M reliability, or engineering superiority. Yet you still make the claim.
M Sounds unsubstantiated to me.

M I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to
M work on than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after
M many miles and years of use) I will not comment on the other American
M brands, because unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not
M familiar with.

M These ratings that were talked about in the previous post, are not
M pulled out of the clear air. There is a reason for their inclusion in
M the list. --
M Jim in NC

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OK apples with apples : BMW X5 / MB ML - absolute quality
Jeep Cherokee - not even close

BMW Z3/4 / MB SLK absolute quality
Chrysler crossfire - rubbish, not even the SLK engine can save the design

BMW 1 series / VW Jetta/Golf - quality
Chrysler Neon - rubbish

I drive a new diesel BMW 3 series - what a pleasure!
I also have a Cobra with a Corvette motor / box - even more fun!
You're right - the chevy is a pleasure to work on - regularly - the Beemer
never needs fixing, so i cannot comment!


With best regards, ahlbebuck. E-mail:

"ahlbebuck" wrote in message
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OK apples with apples : BMW X5 / MB ML - absolute quality
Jeep Cherokee - not even close

BMW Z3/4 / MB SLK absolute quality
Chrysler crossfire - rubbish, not even the SLK engine can save the design

BMW 1 series / VW Jetta/Golf - quality
Chrysler Neon - rubbish

I drive a new diesel BMW 3 series - what a pleasure!
I also have a Cobra with a Corvette motor / box - even more fun!
You're right - the chevy is a pleasure to work on - regularly - the Beemer
never needs fixing, so i cannot comment!

My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. The BMW X5 which you
say is absolute quality was made in Spartanburg SC.

Just what is an American car?

Tex

Morgans wrote:
I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to work on
than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after many miles and
years of use) I will not comment on the other American brands, because
unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not familiar with.

You must be forgetting about the front wheel drive GM V6 cars where
you have to remove an engine mount and partially lift up the engine
to change spark plugs. This ordinary maintenance is extraordinary!

Not to completely contradict you. I drive a Euro-snob car, and after
my own experience and reviewing those of owners of similar models, it
seems that Robert Bosch forgot how to build reliable electrical
components for a few years in the late 1990s.

I certainly don't know anything, but I feel safe stating that every
car company has come out with some pretty terrible stuff over the years.

Now what did this have to do with aviation? Choose wisely your ride
to the airport

"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to
work on
than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after many miles
and
years of use) I will not comment on the other American brands, because
unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not familiar with.

You must be forgetting about the front wheel drive GM V6 cars where
you have to remove an engine mount and partially lift up the engine
to change spark plugs. This ordinary maintenance is extraordinary!

Agreed. That was never intended as a V-6, then someone got the idea that
they could fit a V-6 in with a shoehorn. I had the 4 cylinder, manual
tranny of that line, 1st model year of the first GM front wheel drive, and
it was the most trouble free vehicle I ever owned. I beat it, and couldn't
kill it. If they offered the exact same car, new, today, I would buy one in
a heartbeat.

Not to completely contradict you. I drive a Euro-snob car, and after
my own experience and reviewing those of owners of similar models, it
seems that Robert Bosch forgot how to build reliable electrical
components for a few years in the late 1990s.

I certainly don't know anything, but I feel safe stating that every
car company has come out with some pretty terrible stuff over the years.

Agreed on that one, too.

Now what did this have to do with aviation? Choose wisely your ride
to the airport

True, nothing on topic, but I can not help commenting, when someone starts
American car bashing. The auto industry helps drive our economy. 1 in 10
jobs auto related, as I recall seeing. We would do well, as a country, to
support our own auto industry.
--
Jim in NC



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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:21:15 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to
work on
than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after many miles
and
years of use) I will not comment on the other American brands, because
unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not familiar with.

You must be forgetting about the front wheel drive GM V6 cars where
you have to remove an engine mount and partially lift up the engine
to change spark plugs. This ordinary maintenance is extraordinary!

Agreed. That was never intended as a V-6, then someone got the idea that
they could fit a V-6 in with a shoehorn. I had the 4 cylinder, manual
tranny of that line, 1st model year of the first GM front wheel drive, and
it was the most trouble free vehicle I ever owned. I beat it, and couldn't
kill it. If they offered the exact same car, new, today, I would buy one in
a heartbeat.

Nothing new. I had a 62 Boneville Convertible that had to be raised
on a hoist, then a 4 X 4 set under the suspension of the left front
wheel. The car was then lowered about a foot. That was the only way
you could get the oil filter out.

My Neighbor has a 2 year old small Pontiac (think it's a Grand Am)
that requires lifting the engine to change plugs.

On my TA they put the electronic ignition down on the bottom of the
engine. Drive through much water and you had to replace the thing.
$850.

OTOH a friend purchased a Beamer a couple years back and he said it
spent more time being worked on than on the road.

Virtually all makes and models have a lemon from time-to-time.

Today's cars are probably the best built since they started making
cars (here or there)

BTW, my wife has a little Chrysler mini-mini van. It should turn over
200,000 miles this month. Nary a major problem, but it's beginning to
show its age.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Not to completely contradict you. I drive a Euro-snob car, and after
my own experience and reviewing those of owners of similar models, it
seems that Robert Bosch forgot how to build reliable electrical
components for a few years in the late 1990s.

I certainly don't know anything, but I feel safe stating that every
car company has come out with some pretty terrible stuff over the years.

Agreed on that one, too.

Now what did this have to do with aviation? Choose wisely your ride
to the airport

True, nothing on topic, but I can not help commenting, when someone starts
American car bashing. The auto industry helps drive our economy. 1 in 10
jobs auto related, as I recall seeing. We would do well, as a country, to
support our own auto industry.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:02:39 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote:

I have yet to find a foreign car that is designed to be more easy to work on
than a GM, in ordinary maintenance, or major repairs. (after many miles and
years of use) I will not comment on the other American brands, because
unlike you, I will not comment on a subject I am not familiar with.

In another life, I was an auto mechanic. The dealer I worked for sold
Chryslers, Mazdas and Subarus. The Chryslers would tear you up. All
the engine compartment sheet metal was turned UP so the sharp edges
were ready to grab you. Popping loose a tough nut was tantamount to a
blood sacrifice. Same thing under the dash.

The first Subaru's came out and I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.
All the sheet metal was turned under, my cuts and scratches began to
heal! The starter sat right up on top of the engine! You could get
to it by just leaning in a bit. Everything on those early engines was
easy to get to, which was a good thing as we seemed to need to get to
them frequently.

The engine could be popped out in 15 minutes. Our record was 12
minutes. When we removed them, we just paired up. One guy to each
side. We'd lean down, grab the exhaust system which looped out the
front and rear of each cylinderhead (flat four like a water cooled
VW), yank back and forth then move it forward and lift it out of the
engine compartment. Piece of cake.

They aren't like that anymore, but they don't require removing all the
time anymore either.

Corky Scott