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Jay Honeck wrote:
While not a "strip" club, there is an on-field brothel at Lida
Junction Airport 15 miles east of Goldfield, Nevada. The 6,100' x 80' dirt
airstrip is maintained by the Nevada DOT.

Whoa, pardner -- now you've clearly stepped over the line, proving to
Emily and Matt that we are all, indeed, pigs. Or dogs. Whatever.

You got GPS coordinates for that air "strip"?

Jay, I have zero problems with men I don't know going to strip clubs (or
brothels, for that matter). What I have a problem with is them acting
like it's totally ok. At least admit that it's piggish.

(And no, I'm not a feminist)

"Emily" wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck wrote:
While not a "strip" club, there is an on-field brothel at Lida
Junction Airport 15 miles east of Goldfield, Nevada. The 6,100' x 80'
dirt
airstrip is maintained by the Nevada DOT.

Whoa, pardner -- now you've clearly stepped over the line, proving to
Emily and Matt that we are all, indeed, pigs. Or dogs. Whatever.

You got GPS coordinates for that air "strip"?

Jay, I have zero problems with men I don't know going to strip clubs (or
brothels, for that matter). What I have a problem with is them acting
like it's totally ok. At least admit that it's piggish.

(And no, I'm not a feminist)


I have to ask then why isn't it OK?

Jay, I have zero problems with men I don't know going to strip clubs (or
brothels, for that matter). What I have a problem with is them acting
like it's totally ok. At least admit that it's piggish.

Well, I KNOW I'm going to regret this, but....what is offensive (or
"piggish") about men or women going to strip clubs?

Or is it only offensive to you when men do it?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Jay, I have zero problems with men I don't know going to strip clubs (or
brothels, for that matter). What I have a problem with is them acting
like it's totally ok. At least admit that it's piggish.

Well, I KNOW I'm going to regret this, but....what is offensive (or
"piggish") about men or women going to strip clubs?

Or is it only offensive to you when men do it?

Nope, I wouldn't be caught dead at a strip club for women. I just think
there's a time and a place for sexuality, and that's not it. As a
fairly rabid libertarian, I don't care if you do it, but don't pretend
it's anything other than what it really is.

"Emily" wrote in message
news
Nope, I wouldn't be caught dead at a strip club for women.

So you're a prude. Got it.

Still, what is actually *wrong* with strip clubs? Or are you against any
social viewing of performances that cater to our emotional or sensual sides?
Sex happens to be one of humanity's strongest drives, so it's only natural
that, along with other things that appeal to our mental pleasure receptors
(sporting events, theater, musical performances, and even air shows), people
might enjoy congregating and allowing someone else to stimulate the sexually
oriented mental pleasure receptors.

I will agree that, especially here in the US but also in a variety of other
places around the world, society frowns upon public displays of sexuality.
But certainly here in the US we have a pretty huge double-standard, both
with respect to how sex is used (see practically any product marketing, for
example) and with respect to how other forms of entertainment are accepted
while sexually-oriented ones are not (see violent movies, or professional
sports such as football or ice hockey, for example).

Being a particularly strong emotional drive, I will certainly agree that one
should be cautious about how one experiences sexual pleasure, whether
directly or vicariously. But that argues for moderation, not abstinence.
Perhaps it IS unhealthy to visit a strip club on a daily basis, whereas
watching several basketball games a week is perfectly safe. But that
doesn't mean strip clubs are inherently bad, or even in any other way
significantly different from the basketball game...it just means they aren't
something you'd want to make a central part of your lifestyle as a
spectator.

Not that I expect any of the above to resonate with your particular way of
thinking. You've already exhibited your own rigid and opinionated view on
the topic, and in my experience people who act like that aren't really ready
to consider alternative viewpoints. They will reject them out of hand,
without any serious consideration at all. But still...I offer it, just in
case, and perhaps as something that you might reflect on in ten or twenty
years, after you've matured a bit and are more open to considering that just
because you may have had bad experiences in an area, or just because society
tells you a certain area is a place for bad experiences, that doesn't mean
that area is actually bad or that you need to follow society's own rigid
rules for dealing with that area.

I just think there's a time and a place for sexuality, and that's not it.

It may not be the most refined way to express sexuality, but that's not the
question. What's actually *wrong* with it? Just because you're
uncomfortable with the idea isn't justification of the opinion that it's
wrong.

Personally, I think there's a time and place for beating the crap out of
someone, and I don't think that a professional sporting event is the place
to do it. But at the same time, I don't pass judgment on people who enjoy a
good hockey game or boxing match. The atheletes aren't being forced to
engage in events, and they offer something to the spectators that, while I
don't understand, I don't object to, nor do I believe necessarily reflects
poorly on those spectators in and of itself.

Is it true that the particularly "piggish" men may be more likely to be
found at strip clubs? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean that it's true that
going to a strip club is "piggish", any more than it's true that going to a
football game means you're a loud, obnoxious, drunk (even as many loud,
obnoxious drunks seem to be attracted to sporting events).

As a fairly rabid libertarian, I don't care if you do it, but don't
pretend it's anything other than what it really is.

A "fairly rabid libertarian" would not go around judging other people's
actions, especially when they don't affect you, the way you are here.

Saying you're a libertarian, and that you're not a feminist, does not
actually make either of those claims true. Your other statements here
contradict those claims quite effectively.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:
"Emily" wrote in message
news
Nope, I wouldn't be caught dead at a strip club for women.

So you're a prude. Got it.

Still, what is actually *wrong* with strip clubs? Or are you against any
social viewing of performances that cater to our emotional or sensual sides?
Sex happens to be one of humanity's strongest drives, so it's only natural
that, along with other things that appeal to our mental pleasure receptors
(sporting events, theater, musical performances, and even air shows), people
might enjoy congregating and allowing someone else to stimulate the sexually
oriented mental pleasure receptors.

I will agree that, especially here in the US but also in a variety of other
places around the world, society frowns upon public displays of sexuality.
But certainly here in the US we have a pretty huge double-standard, both
with respect to how sex is used (see practically any product marketing, for
example) and with respect to how other forms of entertainment are accepted
while sexually-oriented ones are not (see violent movies, or professional
sports such as football or ice hockey, for example).

Being a particularly strong emotional drive, I will certainly agree that one
should be cautious about how one experiences sexual pleasure, whether
directly or vicariously. But that argues for moderation, not abstinence.
Perhaps it IS unhealthy to visit a strip club on a daily basis, whereas
watching several basketball games a week is perfectly safe. But that
doesn't mean strip clubs are inherently bad, or even in any other way
significantly different from the basketball game...it just means they aren't
something you'd want to make a central part of your lifestyle as a
spectator.

Not that I expect any of the above to resonate with your particular way of
thinking. You've already exhibited your own rigid and opinionated view on
the topic, and in my experience people who act like that aren't really ready
to consider alternative viewpoints. They will reject them out of hand,
without any serious consideration at all. But still...I offer it, just in
case, and perhaps as something that you might reflect on in ten or twenty
years, after you've matured a bit and are more open to considering that just
because you may have had bad experiences in an area, or just because society
tells you a certain area is a place for bad experiences, that doesn't mean
that area is actually bad or that you need to follow society's own rigid
rules for dealing with that area.

I just think there's a time and a place for sexuality, and that's not it.

It may not be the most refined way to express sexuality, but that's not the
question. What's actually *wrong* with it? Just because you're
uncomfortable with the idea isn't justification of the opinion that it's
wrong.

Personally, I think there's a time and place for beating the crap out of
someone, and I don't think that a professional sporting event is the place
to do it. But at the same time, I don't pass judgment on people who enjoy a
good hockey game or boxing match. The atheletes aren't being forced to
engage in events, and they offer something to the spectators that, while I
don't understand, I don't object to, nor do I believe necessarily reflects
poorly on those spectators in and of itself.

Is it true that the particularly "piggish" men may be more likely to be
found at strip clubs? Perhaps. But that doesn't mean that it's true that
going to a strip club is "piggish", any more than it's true that going to a
football game means you're a loud, obnoxious, drunk (even as many loud,
obnoxious drunks seem to be attracted to sporting events).

As a fairly rabid libertarian, I don't care if you do it, but don't
pretend it's anything other than what it really is.

A "fairly rabid libertarian" would not go around judging other people's
actions, especially when they don't affect you, the way you are here.

Saying you're a libertarian, and that you're not a feminist, does not
actually make either of those claims true. Your other statements here
contradict those claims quite effectively.

Pete



Oh, please. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the
difference - although it seems that you wasted a lot of time trying.

And who's judging? Sex doesn't belong in public, plain and simple.
Sorry if you can't understand that, but don't judge those of us who feel
differently.

Here's a clue: if you think you've properly digested everything I wrote in
less than seven minutes, you're fooling yourself.

As for the rest of your post:

"Emily" wrote in message
...
Oh, please. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand the
difference - although it seems that you wasted a lot of time trying.

Someone like me? Please...you don't know me. You have no idea what
"someone like me" is like.

And "the difference" between what? You quoted my entire post...what
"difference" is it to which you are referring, and what understanding of
that difference do you have that I apparently will never have?

Again, you are prominently displaying your knee-jerk, narrow-minded way of
thinking. You already know everything you need to know, so there's no point
in you actually reading anything anyone else might have to write.

And who's judging?

You are. When you call someone a "pig" or say they are "piggish", you are
judging. Funny that you feel you can malign people left and right and still
think you aren't judging.

Sex doesn't belong in public, plain and simple.

Define "public". I might agree that we're better off not allowing sex to be
allowed in any random public area. But strip clubs are not any random
public area. They are a specific place, set aside for the express purpose
of a display of nudity (and in most cases, no sex at all), and are only
"public" in the sense that the general public is usually allowed in.

In that sense of the word "public", why doesn't sex belong in public?

Sorry if you can't understand that, but don't judge those of us who feel
differently.

I'm judging you as a narrow-minded idiot because that's how you act here.
Your opinion about strip clubs has nothing to do with it. It's the way you
express your opinion. You haven't once made ANY attempt to justify the
opinion. You just say "that's how it is, and that's that". That's the very
DEFINITION of being a narrow-minded idiot.

If you had said instead "strip clubs are perfectly fine, that's how it is,
and that's that", I would still be calling you a narrow-minded idiot. You'd
just be a narrow-minded idiot who agrees with me instead of who disagrees
with me.

I can, and have, put into words some aspects of WHY I hold the opinion that
I have. You have not. Therein lies the difference, and it's why I cannot
respect your opinion, regardless of how strongly you may hold it.

Pete

I'm judging you as a narrow-minded idiot because that's how you act here.
Your opinion about strip clubs has nothing to do with it. It's the way you
express your opinion. You haven't once made ANY attempt to justify the
opinion. You just say "that's how it is, and that's that". That's the very
DEFINITION of being a narrow-minded idiot.

Jesus-Mary-&-Joseph. Ha-bi-di-Ha-bi-di-Ha-bi-di!

I'm completely in a tizzy, because I have now agreed totally, 100%,
absolutely whole-heartedly with Pete TWICE.

This just can't go on.

If this continues, Pete, we're not gonna have anything to argue about
anymore...

;-)

Although I probably wouldn't have called Emily an "idiot". Whew -- at
least we can still differ in our approach...even if we're on the same
page for a change.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Emily wrote in
:

And who's judging? Sex doesn't belong in public, plain and simple.

Hold on.

Sex is a natural, beautiful thing, without which the human race (as well
as pretty much every other breathing species on this planet) would not
continue to exist.

I am trying to figure out on what basis you make your claims against it.
If it is religious, that's fine, but not everyone subscribes to your
religious beliefs, and each religion seems to have its own opinion on it
anyway. Some religions don't approve of sex even in private unless it is
specifically for the purpose of spawning children. Others only have issues
with sex with relatives and/or animals.

To my knowledge, the Judeo-Christian belief is that sex is indeed a
beautiful thing, ideally for the purpose of spawning children (interpreted
from a Biblical commandment). And while you are not restricted from having
sex that is not specifically for the purpose of having children, you are
not supposed to "spill your seed in waste". It is for this reason that
certain types of contraceptives and self-satisfaction are prohibited.

From there, the religions place a prohibition on "impure thoughts". After
all, impure thoughts *could* lead to wasted seed. (In the Jewish religion,
the impure thought itself is not a sin. I'm not quite as sure if that
holds true in all Christian variations.) In order to protect people from
having impure thoughts, rules of modesty were developed - this is why
ultra-religious Jewish women cover their hair, and always wear dresses
down to their ankles and sleeves down to their wrists - a woman's hair,
arms, and legs are considered sexy and *could* lead to impure thoughts and
ultimately wasted seed. Clearly having sex in Central Park or some other
such public display of sex would also be a problem in these religions. But
NOT because sex is wrong. It is because of the off chance that some guy
might walk by, see it, and think about it all day, and go home and spill
his seed. If this is the belief you subscribe to, I applaud you because
being so religious is very difficult and requires much self-discipline,
especially in today's society.

Strip clubs are not public. They are open to the public with some
restrictions, but there is no risk of someone who subscribes to the
aforementioned beliefs of ever spilling his seed, because he would not
enter a strip club if he was indeed a true follower of the religion.

I'm curious, how do you feel about Prime Time Network Television? After
all, they are much worse than strip clubs in my opinion. They make
Television Shows under the guise of being entertainment, and then include
numerous situation that would lead to impure thoughts, such as adult-
oriented humor, sexual situations, and sexy advertisements. At least with
a strip club, the person who is going in knows that what he is about to
do, and makes a conscious decision to do it. With TV, even the
unsuspecting innocent will be lured in and tricked into having impure
thoughts.

Now THAT is wrong!


Sorry if you can't understand that, but don't judge those of us who feel
differently.

("Judah" wrote)
And who's judging? Sex doesn't belong in public, plain and simple.

Hold on.

Sex is a natural, beautiful thing, without which the human race (as well
as pretty much every other breathing species on this planet) would not
continue to exist.


And with that, our "Beautiful Thing" closing argument - the "defensive"
rests Your Honor. :-)

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S18412.html?cat=1
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