Useless radio transmissions

With a repost to r.a.student.

"BPH" == Bela P Havasreti writes:

BPH CFIs, will you please, PLEASE stop teaching students this
BPH stuff?!!! 8^)

BPH On 122.75: Making 30+ second long position reports, 4500 feet
BPH over some non-descript / podunk town. More annoying when the
BPH broadcaster does so in broken english. Even more annoying
BPH when the broadcaster does so every 5 minutes!

BPH On CTAF: Announcing that you're taxiing from your parking
BPH spot to "the active runway" at an airport that's the size of
BPH an ex-WW2 air base. Who cares?

BPH On CTAF: Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You
BPH might think anyone who is waiting to take off can *see* when
BPH you're clear. The only exception I can think of is a
BPH (severely) crowned runway where the other end can't be seen
BPH from the departure end.

BPH I'll think of some more later.... grins

BPH Bela P. Havasreti

And also please stop saying "active runway". Is there such as thing as
"inactive runway"? It might be more useful to say "clear of runway XX",
that way someone listening might know which runway is being used.

However, "clear of XX" is not entirely useless. At some airports you
cannot see the other end of the runway. If you are departing behind a
landing traffic, it would be helpful to know when the other airplane
has left the runway so that you can start the takeoff roll.



Bob Fry wrote:
With a repost to r.a.student.

"BPH" == Bela P Havasreti writes:

BPH CFIs, will you please, PLEASE stop teaching students this
BPH stuff?!!! 8^)

BPH On 122.75: Making 30+ second long position reports, 4500 feet
BPH over some non-descript / podunk town. More annoying when the
BPH broadcaster does so in broken english. Even more annoying
BPH when the broadcaster does so every 5 minutes!

BPH On CTAF: Announcing that you're taxiing from your parking
BPH spot to "the active runway" at an airport that's the size of
BPH an ex-WW2 air base. Who cares?

BPH On CTAF: Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You
BPH might think anyone who is waiting to take off can *see* when
BPH you're clear. The only exception I can think of is a
BPH (severely) crowned runway where the other end can't be seen
BPH from the departure end.

BPH I'll think of some more later.... grins

BPH Bela P. Havasreti

Bob Fry wrote in
:

I'd have to respectfully disagree with your assessment on some of the
calls.

BPH On CTAF: Announcing that you're taxiing from your parking
BPH spot to "the active runway" at an airport that's the size of
BPH an ex-WW2 air base. Who cares?

When I am ready to taxi, I say, Madison, 1943L ready to taxi, request
advisories, Madison. This call is two fold. If somebody in the MBO is
monitoring, they can give me a heads up that there is reported and when
winds are calm, tell me what runway was last used. Helps me know my
radio is working AND I work with the pattern. Plane could have called in
before I flipped my avionics switch. Soooo. I do care.....

BPH On CTAF: Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You
BPH might think anyone who is waiting to take off can *see* when
BPH you're clear. The only exception I can think of is a
BPH (severely) crowned runway where the other end can't be seen
BPH from the departure end.

Low wing planes are very hard to see on extra long runways, especially
dark ones. So, if I am at the end of 17 and a plane lands, I fully
appreciate when they report they are cleared the active. I then don't
have to wait until I get a visual on them taxiing halfway up a 1 mile
taxiway for me to take off. And as you stated, many runways I land on
are rather hilly, and seeing a plane in the valley of a runway or the
other end can be a rather difficult challenge.

As far as cleared the active, if you are paying attention when you
approach the airport, you know the active runway.

You must not deal with uncontrolled airports that potentially have two
active runways, such as intersecting runways, so yes, you can have an
inactive runway. After landing, I try to say, Natchez, 43L, cleared the
active 25, Natchez (or whatever runway it may be) so folks around me can
know what runway I am indeed clearing.

A few extra words for a bunch of safety sure is worth it to me.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:

You must not deal with uncontrolled airports that potentially have two
active runways, such as intersecting runways, so yes, you can have an
inactive runway.

You had me agreeing with you right up to this point. Both runways could
very well be handling arriving and departing traffic, hence the concept
that there is no one, true active runway at an uncontrolled airport.

A pilot could very well choose to land or depart on the perpendicular
runway to other traffic in the pattern and not be violating anything except
the opinions of those who incorrectly believe there is only one active
runway at an uncontrolled airport.

Stick to "Podunk traffic, Cessna 123 clear of runway X," and you would be
omitting the erroneous words such as "active" that have, at best, an
ambiguous meaning at an uncontrolled airport.

Oh, and where did the rest of your name go in your newsreader moniker?

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in
:

A Lieberma wrote:

You must not deal with uncontrolled airports that potentially have
two active runways, such as intersecting runways, so yes, you can
have an inactive runway.

You had me agreeing with you right up to this point. Both runways
could very well be handling arriving and departing traffic, hence the
concept that there is no one, true active runway at an uncontrolled
airport.

Heck Peter,

Just reading my own paragraph made me disagree with myself :-)

Needless to say, you are right, at an uncontrolled airport, both runways
should be treated as active since somebody just may be boning up on
their crosswind techniques.

Oh, and where did the rest of your name go in your newsreader moniker?


on the inactive runway :-)

Allen