ATC "cancellation" of scheduled carrier flights?

Sam Spade wrote in news:5nKHg.14$c07.3@fed1read04:

Judah wrote:
Sam Spade wrote in news:bODHg.8144$cw.4721@fed1read03:


Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:


While discussing reimbursement of hotel bills from a major airline, I
was told that my flight(s) were cancelled BY ATC.


Airlines cancel flights. But, when they cancel because of ATC delays
they are unable to absorb into their fleet operational planning the
airline typically considers that to be a cancellation that they did not
cause. It is not unlike cancellation for weather.


That's a bad customer service policy.

Like they care about customer service?

Some do. The profitable ones, anyway.

Judah wrote:
Sam Spade wrote in news:5nKHg.14$c07.3@fed1read04:


Judah wrote:

Sam Spade wrote in news:bODHg.8144$cw.4721@fed1read03:



Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:



While discussing reimbursement of hotel bills from a major airline, I
was told that my flight(s) were cancelled BY ATC.


Airlines cancel flights. But, when they cancel because of ATC delays
they are unable to absorb into their fleet operational planning the
airline typically considers that to be a cancellation that they did not
cause. It is not unlike cancellation for weather.


That's a bad customer service policy.

Like they care about customer service?


Some do. The profitable ones, anyway.

Show me the way. They all suck that I use.

Sam Spade wrote:
Judah wrote:

Sam Spade wrote in news:5nKHg.14$c07.3@fed1read04:


Judah wrote:

Sam Spade wrote in
news:bODHg.8144$cw.4721@fed1read03:



Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:



While discussing reimbursement of hotel bills from a major
airline, I was told that my flight(s) were cancelled BY ATC.


Airlines cancel flights. But, when they cancel because of ATC
delays they are unable to absorb into their fleet operational
planning the airline typically considers that to be a cancellation
that they did not cause. It is not unlike cancellation for weather.



That's a bad customer service policy.


Like they care about customer service?



Some do. The profitable ones, anyway.


Show me the way. They all suck that I use.

The US airline industry is the worst business model in
America. One more airline terror attack or series of
commercial accidents and it's over

Back to trains and cars or Government takeover

MrBiff wrote:

The US airline industry is the worst business model in America. One more
airline terror attack or series of commercial accidents and it's over

Back to trains and cars or Government takeover

There is another option: foreign carriers will serve U.S. markets at
very high prices.

Sam Spade wrote:
MrBiff wrote:

The US airline industry is the worst business model in America. One
more airline terror attack or series of commercial accidents and it's
over

Back to trains and cars or Government takeover


There is another option: foreign carriers will serve U.S. markets at
very high prices.


I don't know about that. Last year I flew to Europe on KLM.
Much better service(Booze free in coach) and CHEAPER than
any American airline. Planes were cleaner and the stuff
inside WORKED

I flew Delta RT to Europe recently and everything on the
plane was broke. My overhead light did not work. The TV was
crap bad picture. The movie would freeze every 10 minutes
and they would have to reset it. My headset jack was inop
and the booze was $4

A good friend of mine just got back from London and flew RT
on British Airways. He said the service was awesome. The
funny thing is the airlines out of Europe are able to do
that with fuel much higher in Europe.

My conclusion? Greed and **** poor management "bean counter
suits" with no aviation background combined with a little
politically correct hiring(incompetent employees who are not
white) contribute to the degradation of U.S. airlines. It
also does not help the FAA has it's head up it's ass ALL THE
TIME (Most of the FAA is run now by bull dikes who were
secretaries or waffle house employees a few years ago)

It's hard to find an experienced white male with an aviation
background in the FAA now unless he is either homosexual or
incompetent. The degradation of the FAA and the airlines in
America is directly linked.

As we continue in America our rapid slide toward 3rd world
status under the guise of politically correct tyranny, it
won't be long before we are like Turkey. I flew several
years ago when I was in the Air Force on an airline out of
Turkey. There was a goat on the plane and people were
cooking food in the back. The aircraft also reeked of ****
and crap. That is probably where our airline industry will
be soon as we turn from white to brown in America.

Used diapers and Colt 45 bottles and old lottery tickets
rattling under the seats while we snack on our crackers and
goat cheese and buttermilk

But hey we gotz Diversity!!

A good friend of mine just got back from London and flew RT on British Airways. He said the service was awesome. The funny thing is the airlines out of Europe are able to do that with fuel much higher in Europe.

Are they subsidized?

Jose
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Jose wrote:
Are they subsidized?

No, not any longer. I think all former flag carries in EU-Europe were
privatized in the 90s. A lot of the smaller ones have since gone out of
business or were bought by their bigger competitors.

Jose wrote:
A good friend of mine just got back from London and flew RT on British
Airways. He said the service was awesome. The funny thing is the
airlines out of Europe are able to do that with fuel much higher in
Europe.


Are they subsidized?

Jose


If they are, why not ours? I think KLM is. I don't know
about BA.How can American air carriers compete with a higher
Euro AND Government subsidy by the respective Governments?

Not possible

If foreign carriers get US domestic routes its all over but
the shouting.Remember the glory days of Pan-Am and TWA?
America dominated transcontinental traffic.

Why not now?

Two reasons. The FAA is inept and "Bean Counters and Suits"
run airlines in America. The aviation spirit and blood is dying

No new ideas or looking around corners.It's all about
"Bottom Line" and making everyone happy through politically
correct tyranny.

I guarantee the FAA spends(wastes) more tax money on
Diversity classes and social programs kissing the black ass
and investigating if some woman got her feelings hurt than
promoting aviation and new ideas. The FAA is not much better
than HUD. A big Government cluster ****

The passion is gone from American aviation. There is no
leadership or fire in the belly for new ideas

Now everyone is treated like cattle so some rag head *******
don't sue. I say jack all Muslims under 25 up. If they bitch
and whine and are carrying a foreign passport, tell them
tough ****.

That's why American aviation is on the ropes

No balls and politically correct stupidity

Where is Chuck Yeager and Howard Hughes when we need them?

Judah writes:
Sam Spade wrote
Judah wrote:
Sam Spade wrote
Marc J. Zeitlin wrote:

While discussing reimbursement of hotel bills from a major airline, I
was told that my flight(s) were cancelled BY ATC.

Airlines cancel flights. But, when they cancel because of ATC delays
they are unable to absorb into their fleet operational planning the
airline typically considers that to be a cancellation that they did not
cause. It is not unlike cancellation for weather.

That's a bad customer service policy.

Like they care about customer service?

Some do. The profitable ones, anyway.

I thought "profitable airlines" was an oxymoron.

I've read that the airline industry in toto has yet
to show a net profit for its nearly 100 year history.