Crashing on takeoff... how odd

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:07:56 GMT, (Ron Lee)
wrote:


You are correct (with your correction of the second sentence to RWY
26) but shouldn't there be illuminated signage for the runway
numbers?

Ron Lee


Absolutely. Right there at the hold short line. But crossing over the
the runway numbers might help as a second check.
But the signage and the runway numbers would not have mattered if the
pilot and co-pilot already had it set in their minds that 26 was the
correct runway.

Google earth will also let you notice the thresholds for both runways
are on the same line of sight from the tower.

Aen't all airline pilots required to operate from the field before they
carry passengers from it?

What an awful mistake, and a more awful price to have paid for it.

(Tony" wrote)
Aen't all airline pilots required to operate from the field before they
carry passengers from it?


I've never heard of this before.


Montblack

In article ,
"Montblack" wrote:

Aren't all airline pilots required to operate from the field before they
carry passengers from it?

I've never heard of this before.

All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for it,
but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Having said that, I wonder if they are given credit for using the sim to
fullfil this requirement in these days of high level simulators?

john smith wrote:

All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for it,
but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Does it count if the one of the two flight deck crewmembers has been
there, or do both require familiarization?

B A R R Y wrote

john smith wrote:

All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization
flights into and out of any airport they intend to serve several
times without passengers before they begin passenger service. (There
is a term for it, but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Does it count if the one of the two flight deck crewmembers has been
there, or do both require familiarization?

Notice that John said "aircarriers" not pilots. Pilots are not
required to have previous entries into an airport.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

Bob Moore wrote:

Pilots are not required to have previous entries into an airport.


Brings me around to asking what I wanted to for a while now... what on
earth is it that 'airport familiarity' provides that an approach plate
doesn't?

If we can navigate in cars using street maps on the roads, it must be a
breeze from the air, what?

Ramapriya

Bob Moore wrote:

Notice that John said "aircarriers" not pilots. Pilots are not
required to have previous entries into an airport.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)


That makes sense.

PanAm? A friend of mine's dad retired from PanAm in the early 80's. He
was a NY based 747 pilot.

"john smith" wrote in message
...


All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for it,
but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Having said that, I wonder if they are given credit for using the sim to
fullfil this requirement in these days of high level simulators?

When was this regulation put into effect? It wasn't there in ~1980 I was a
gate agent here at ELD when Skyways started flying in to the airport. For
the first month with few exceptions when those Metroliners came in it was
the first time the crew had ever been to that airport.

john smith wrote
All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for
it, but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

PROVING FLIGHTS....but that does not include ALL Pilots.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)