CRJ crash at KLEX:

If you pull up a sat image of the airport it appears the thresholds for
22 and 26 are along the same line of sight from the tower. It wouldn't
have been obvious the airplane was at the wrong runway from the tower..

Most of us who are instrument rated use the runway centerline as a
final verification the DG is aligned, and I'd sure declare an equiment
about if the damned thing was saying something like 260 when it should
say 220.

There will have to be some really odd circumstances if this isn't
called pilot error. In fact, I'd appreciate someone offering a
reasonable theory that does not implicate the pilots.

And isn't it true that both would have had to operate from that airport
before they could carry passengers?

Awful error, and and even more awful punishment for having made it.
Ron Lee wrote:

As for your question about my judgment, thankfully, so far, it's been
good, and that's why I'm still alive. If I had to depend on "luck" to
keep me safe in an airplane, I wouldn't fly. However, accidents such as
this one demonstrate why careful consideration and good judgment are so
important in aviation.

Sorry, I'm standing by my thought that you can't criticize their
mistakes until you've been in that situation. Blame has no place in
something like this....but I'm coming at this as someone who analyzes
mistakes for a living.

Can't agree with you Emily. If the pilots took off on too short a
runway they screwed up royally and they alone are to blame.

Ron Lee

"Tony" wrote in message
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If you pull up a sat image of the airport it appears the thresholds for
22 and 26 are along the same line of sight from the tower. It wouldn't
have been obvious the airplane was at the wrong runway from the tower..

Most of us who are instrument rated use the runway centerline as a
final verification the DG is aligned, and I'd sure declare an equiment
about if the damned thing was saying something like 260 when it should
say 220.

There will have to be some really odd circumstances if this isn't
called pilot error. In fact, I'd appreciate someone offering a
reasonable theory that does not implicate the pilots.

And isn't it true that both would have had to operate from that airport
before they could carry passengers?

Awful error, and and even more awful punishment for having made it.


Well, even if they received the wrong runway from ATC, they're the final
authority and it's their responsibility to know the airport and its runways'
lengths, but Emily is right when she says that we can't criticize until we
know what happened exactly. We should not blame anyone but we should know
what happened so we can learn from that. (I haven't heard a reasonable
theory yet either)

Here is LEX Airport diagram (http://avn.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF) and
the runways aren't that close, so it's weird they took the wrong one.

Javier Omella.

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"Javier Omella" wrote:

Here is LEX Airport diagram (http://avn.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF) and
the runways aren't that close, so it's weird they took the wrong one.

Quite the contrary, the approach ends of the two runways are very close
and served by the same taxiway.
Port Columbus International Airport/KCMH had a similar arrangement at
the junction of the approach ends of R28L/R23. Some airlines actually
used the first several hundred feet of R23 to taxi onto R28 instead of
taxiing all the way to the R28 thrreshhold via the taxiway.
Approximately 10-years ago, the airport dug up the concrete and
completely reconfigured the layout to avoid confusion.
There are other airport with similar arrangements. Look for the FAA to
implement a construction program to correct these situations as a result
of todays crash.
And there had been confusion, but no consequences as happened today in
LEX.

Tony wrote:
If you pull up a sat image of the airport it appears the thresholds for
22 and 26 are along the same line of sight from the tower. It wouldn't
have been obvious the airplane was at the wrong runway from the tower..

I haven't looked yet, but probably the sat images are way out of date.
Didn't they mention in the news that they just extended that runway 26
by 600' on both ends?

Best, Kev

Kev wrote:


I haven't looked yet, but probably the sat images are way out of date.
Didn't they mention in the news that they just extended that runway 26
by 600' on both ends?



Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Looking at that diagram I see how easy it would of been to do what they did.
WOW
"B A R R Y" wrote in message
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Kev wrote:


I haven't looked yet, but probably the sat images are way out of date.
Didn't they mention in the news that they just extended that runway 26
by 600' on both ends?



Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

"Aluckyguess" wrote:

Looking at that diagram I see how easy it would of been to do what they did.
WOW
Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Don't agree with you Barry. They should have seen that you taxi
rightish from the terminal past Rwy 26 then either one (apparently
from pics) of two taxiways to Rwy 22. Even I can do that.

Ron Lee

Ron Lee wrote:
"Aluckyguess" wrote:

Looking at that diagram I see how easy it would of been to do what they did.
WOW
Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Don't agree with you Barry.

I never said that. A top poster did, and I was misquoted.

(Ron Lee) wrote:

"Aluckyguess" wrote:

Looking at that diagram I see how easy it would of been to do what
they did. WOW


Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Don't agree with you Barry. They should have seen that you taxi
rightish from the terminal past Rwy 26 then either one (apparently
from pics) of two taxiways to Rwy 22. Even I can do that.

The diagram doesn't show the additional taxiway that is apparent in the
photographs

News reports quote another pilot as saying that old right-hand taxiway had
a recently-erected barrier across it. He said it was a complete surprise
when he came across it the first time.

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James Robinson wrote:

(Ron Lee) wrote:

"Aluckyguess" wrote:

Looking at that diagram I see how easy it would of been to do what
they did. WOW


Here's a diagram dated 08/03/2006:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Don't agree with you Barry. They should have seen that you taxi
rightish from the terminal past Rwy 26 then either one (apparently
from pics) of two taxiways to Rwy 22. Even I can do that.

The diagram doesn't show the additional taxiway that is apparent in the
photographs

News reports quote another pilot as saying that old right-hand taxiway had
a recently-erected barrier across it. He said it was a complete surprise
when he came across it the first time.

The diagram has not been updated to show the newly added 600 foot
extension and connecting taxiway.